The problems of Krysyy, Aikar and how EMC is run.

Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by _REMOVED_87055, Oct 27, 2019.

  1. This makes me worried I get having a job and having a life. We all have one. But if you are pretty much the General Manager of the entire server then yeah maybe devote a little bit more time and effort to the server. Maybe spend more time talking to players and getting to know them and maybe if you think they are willing ask them to help with some stuff. i know many players would love it if they were asked to help. If you cannot devote the time to the server that the server needs then we need either a new community manager or another one to help out
  2. Kryssy, let's be honest here.

    First of all I will say that I originally came back behind my computter to wrote a "Let's just not have Kryssy be the scapegoat for all out problems" post. I do indeed feel like this thread starts spiralling in that derection, and that is injust, I argree, you're not the one reason, but rather: there are some "serious concerns."

    I think it is safe to say that we are not talking about the "what" here. You asked about events, developement and play interactions, and none of that really is it.
    I don't think any of us are talking about the "what" we are talking about the"how."

    That's what I ment with the "we can only point at stuff and say "that is wrong" without doing anything" There is no one mistake or problem with being human at hand here. I feel like most staff simplely have a problem with how you deal with stuff. You seem to always reason from your own side to the other side, not understanding that some people have widly different ways of looking at something. You seem to forget that the way you observe something changes what you observe.

    The main reason I was planning to leave the buildteam anyway when you kicked me out of because I couldn't deal with your way of dealing with disargreements. You seem to forget that there is no neutral option. Not deciting is always picking a side. The way you observe changes what you see.

    I do also defenetly argree that this thread is quite an attack, and not a very social one. As you can see, a lot of people have been angee about this kind of stuff for a long time.
    I have talked with you about some of thease problems in private chat before, so, for me, this is just another one, for others, it's the first time they feel just to speak their minds.

    You always pretend to be "above" everything, and I think that's why people "forget" you're human too. You are so busy being the one person who is in control, that you forgot actually acting properly. In "public" you hide behind unabigious statements, and you talk behind people's backs in private. Don't worry: some of the staff told me basically everything you had to say about me.

    It's not the "what" It's the "how"

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    I am not here to say I think you're a bad person or anything: I know you're not. I know you're human, and make mistakes, and I am willing to accept that. But you don't seem to be able to do so.

    I think what happend at the buildteam is a good example here. I know you're human and make mistakes leading a buildteam, I understand, but I also know most of those mistakes come from you not being a builder. You should learn to accept some people are better at stuff tham you are, and that you should give those the wheel. (No, I'm not talking about myself, I know I'd be a terrible leader)

    I don't know if that also means we need a new comunety manager, I just feel like you should know where your own problems are. Learn to know yourself, and, with that, learn what you can better give to others.
  3. If so many ex staff have a problem with how YOU have handled problems maybe that is a sign that you don't handle things the right way if so many different people with different personalities dislike your way of handling things it's probably wrong
  4. Wow.

    Here are my thoughts on the situation, if anyone really cares that is. I haven't been behind staff doors to see a problem, I haven't had any negative interaction with the administration on this server that led me to think there was a problem. Everything I know is from other people's words, which I trust. It is clear that with the outcry of testimonies on this thread that a problem exists. Now I'm going to try and say something I think is very reasonable, but could easily get me ostracized from this group revolution.

    Calm down, catch your breath, and maybe give Krysyy some credit here.

    Look, by the sounds of it Krysyy has made some mistakes. Just imagine how pressuring her job would be though. I may have never experienced a problem with the administration, but I've been a problem for the administration. Back in 2016 I was a giant pain for Krysyy to deal with and I could tell. I was causing tons of drama which led to a great number of arguments and eventually some bans. Her job isn't easy. Looking back on that time period I could see why she would be stressed out with certain players. Like she said, she's only human. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Krysyy also has a job outside of EMC. That could also easily add more stress onto the pressure of running what was, and quite possibly still is, the best mass Minecraft server to have ever existed.

    Krysyy has acknowledged these problems, and with a thread as damning as this, it would be hard for me to believe she wouldn't try to fix these problems moving forward. We don't need another community manager, the one we have is fine. Maybe she's just fine and not great (sorry Krysyy), but every single person has room for improvement. Instead of giving her destructive criticism and signing petitions to revoke her role, let's give her constructive criticism and help her with the changes we want to see.

    We are the EMC community. The best community in all of gaming. Let's not ruin that.
  5. Number one rule isn't very obvious tbh, and especially not to anyone reading the thread. I think that you are hinting that I have shared staff secrets (definitely have now) but I don't actually know what I could've said. If it makes you more comfortable telling me in PM then feel free.

    I will admit, you have put in a great amount of time posting on suggestion threads/gossiping in modchat. But you are never ingame, you are not the face of our community that you should be. And i think you know that.

    Don't you find it pretty condemning that no one has actually disagreed with my post other than you? I'm not sure if you can sugar coat your involvement in EMC for any longer.

    On an unrelated note, one of the main things you look for in staff is lack of involvement in drama and yet you thrive on it. It's so hypocritical, should you even be staff?
  6. Isn't very obvious? Are you kidding me?

    At this point, I'm not even sure if you read the staff guide, or that you are going to read this. Staff aren't responding because I told them not to, as we do with all posts of this nature. You've been staff and seen the 'don't touch that post' warning in Slack. Other players simply don't want to argue with someone who is fueled by a personal issue. The attacks are against me, so I'm addressing them.

    My track record is proof enough of all that needs to be said with regards to my hatred of drama.
  7. Regarding comments on Krysyy to add my opinion on top of what she has posted.

    Her role is management, as it says in the name. In a well functioning system, managers don't typically do the work, they manage dividing the work up. They control priority. They make final decisions.
    In normal circumstances, a manager wouldn't even be doing things like events herself. But she still aims to hold onto that to keep her involvement in the community at that level.
    Her role is to choose what things to prioritize, what decisions need focus, solving roadblocks, and providing things to ensure others have what they need to execute plans.

    This is what managers do.

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    On the dev side:

    Developers are held to the same, and to a degree higher, standard of expectations as other staff. I don't even really care about a developers experience. Chicken joined the dev team without ANY developer experience. ZERO CODING KNOWLEDGE.

    What matters the most to me? Trust and professionalism.

    What do we look for in all staff members? Trust and professionalism.

    Needless to say, A developer should be able to pass the staff application process. If anyone wanting to be a developer can't pass that, then I can not take that risk. I circumvented the process once and in the end, things did not work out.

    "So and so isn't a developer because Krysyy doesn't like them". Well I hate to break it to you, that the staff application process is not ran by just Krysyy. It's ran by the entire SS team too.

    Remember my comment above about dividing up work and making final decisions? The staff process gets ALL senior staff input. there is a spreadsheet of applications, that the entire SS team + Krysyy work through to narrow down candidates and make choices.

    So if someone applied that you think is a good candidate, know that it means that it wasn't just Krysyy making that decision. That means no-one on the Senior Staff team stood up to defend that person and push for a mind to be changed.

    Believe me, if the entire SS team was vouching for someone even if Krysyy had concerns, she would give them a chance. Staff selection is a concensus of input from 8 people (I don't really ever get involved here)

    This is quite an interesting statement. I'm curious where the idea that our code is fragile came from. 1.13 and 1.14 was the most broken updates in Minecrafts history. Yet updating EMC specific portion to those versions actually was some of the simplest updates we've done, so simple in fact that willies even helped on the public side of 1.14.

    if it was so broken and fragile, then how come it was so easy? How was someone on the outside able to jump in like that (ok, in fairness, willies is very much up to speed on our public side of codes processes).

    The truth is, EMC has some of the most stable and well designed code out of all the servers. Sure some of the major networks I hope has some good code to maintain those monsters, but all the other smaller servers? Now THAT is held together by paperclips and gluesticks.

    So why isn't EMC on 1.14 if it was so easy you might ask? It's all those things underneath the hood thats wrong that you can't see from the outside.

    We could probably release 1.14 today. But you wouldn't be happy. Like those promos? those vaults full of unique items? Well Mojang and powers to be up the stream has made tons of bad decisions that risk wiping out all your special items.

    I can say with confidence that it is 100% not our fault. No flaw in our code. No mistake made on our side. Other people made bad decisions, then the next person down the river decided to not deal with those bad decisions, and instead ignore them.

    So, guess who has to deal with the mess? yeah that's us.

    "But other servers are 1.14". And how many of those servers have persistent worlds with data all the way back to 2012 (we did a full world reset in 2012, so no 2011 data)? How many of those stored unique data in items in 2013 that they still want to support now in 2019? How many of those stored those unique items in the world so that when players break the block, they are able to get their item back just as they had it?

    How many of those did do that, but said "sorry, your items are loss due to the bugs in the update, you'll have to get new ones".

    That's the state of the newest minecraft versions. This is all higher up the stream than I or even PaperMC was in control of. I worked hard to fix that problem and it still isn't even 100%.
    And that's just one subject ....

    How do you like all the dupe exploits on 1.14? All the servers crashing? The horrible performance?
    What about world corruption and entire builds being wiped out?

    It all boils down to Mojang has royally messed up the game on the code level. It takes a lot of work to fix these problems.

    EMC has held a high standards in terms of our experience. notice how our servers rarely crash? Notice how your items from 5 years ago still work? our goal is to keep our experience consistent and functioning.

    if we updated to 1.14 today, that standard will be broken. servers will crash, items will be lost.
    I am not in a position to be able to stay all night without sleep until 7am on a work day, to turn around and try to fix it more from work (where i'm supposed to be doing my actual work). Not to mention, i don't even have easy access to fix things from work anymore (network is stricter).

    So, we would very much be in a state where servers are down for hours or even days, data corrupted, items lost. There will be new game mechanics that players will find ways to abuse, and we won't be able to just jump on it and fix it in seconds. Players entire residence/outpost could be wiped out due to a bug. And we could be in a position that it can't be restored.

    Every bit of stability everyone knows of EMC would be gone. And I just can't force us into that state.

    As is hopefully clear, the bulk of the problems is not within our own code, it's at the core of the games code. Guess where those core problems get fixed? at PaperMC...
    The reason you think "my heart loves that more", is because all that effort you saw me pouring into that for 1.13 WAS FOR EMC.
    The way the code is structured is as follows (each line changes the software above it):

    [what ] - [who manages]
    Vanilla Game - Mojang
    Bukkit/Spigot - Spigot Project - major source of problems. tons of bad decisions
    Paper - PaperMC team - I am a core member of this team. Has to fix all of Mojangs and Spigots mistakes
    EmpireCraft - EMC - Our specific changes that are tailored for EMC specific use.

    Code at that PaperMC improves the core of the game. those core problems impact EMC. The fixes go into Paper for that, not our code.
    Fixes for problems in our unique subsystems go into our own EmpireCraft project

    Right now I'm dealing with stuff in real life that has kept me away from the code, but that doesn't mean progress isn't being made.
    We have a team on the PaperMC project, and others simply picked up where I left off on fixing stuff. They are making good progress.

    Yes it all sucks. But this wasn't in our control. And on the note on dev recruitment.... work at PaperMC is public and open to any developer to contribute to. Solving problems at this level is a way ANY developer can contribute and help EMC.

    It does not require joining our team.

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    On "Change of Management"

    Let's be clear in the end - I am not going to be replacing Krysyy. I have stood behind her decisions through every controversial one. I am sorry if you do not believe she is doing a good job, but I disagree and think she and the entire team is doing an amazing job even with various limitations we have, and stick by them.

    I ask that you work with her to provide your constructive input on improvements to make with the current management, or you will simply need to move on, but I do hope it does not have to go to that and would hate to see anyone go.

    As a reminder, keep calm. Keep things constructive. We understand there is some pent up frustration, but let's keep it civil.
  8. I think you totally missed the point for my first point. Let's just move on.

    Yes i know the staff arent allowed to reply, I don't want to state the obvious. There has barely been a single thing positive from the COMMUNITY about the COMMUNITY manager. I also find it very funny that you are trying to patronise me, we both know that this statement is LUDACRIS.

    And yep, sure, all hail the mighty Krysyy and her track record.
    Flight time have a good day.
  9. I totally understand, but alredey did.

    Indeed, 1.14 is copleatly broken. I have also been working on some dev stuff on this version (modmaking), and for everyone else out there: the not updating is NOT KRYSSY's FAULT, or Aikar's, for that matter. There is a lot of just really bad code and hackfixes that I wouldn't trust to run something that's dear to me.
    Indeed, I also have basically always argreed with the end result. It's about how we get there, and about the little stuff that goes in between those larger controversies.
  10. If a manager shouldn't be doing stuff like that herself maybe she shouldn't be so insanely critical of every little thing staff do.

    She said in her post
    If you are then staff are too aren't they?

    If you can make mistakes and not have a care then maybe if a staff makes a mistake do the same. You can't hold yourself in a different category then others especially when others are doing and acting on more then you yourself
  11. You know I gotta admit lately in the past year in my opinion emc has gotten kinda shitty. There has been a lack of events. A lack of promos. And just a overall lack of excitement or something to do. This is the main reason I had left, I saw that hypixel has had a very well set up new skyblock game that actually updates, and turns out it’s pretty fun. I think that emc needs to update if they wanna try and keep a active player base I think that they should just update and work out all the little bugs slowly. On the other hand I do have a great idea for the dragon tombs that I’ve had for around a year but I haven’t mentioned it due to emc not even updating. I feel like emc needs something new something that will take time to achieve in terms of in game items maybe something new that takes time to get or whatever. I do believe though due to what I have heard from the community and and some staff. That emc is dying, I remember when I joined back many years ago there was events almost everyday, so many things to do so many things to look forward to but lately I feel like it’s will emc update in the next century? Maybe and I know you krysyy have said it that you don’t want to flood the community but add some new promos maybe some new custom items. Like come on “minecon snook up on us” like is that really a good excuse? And so what if we didn’t see it coming that doesn’t mean we can’t still have a promo a day or two after I mean it’s not gonna be that hard to decide what it should be when the last two years minecon items have practically been the same. Therefore I’m just saying to devs Krysyy and Aikar if y’all want emc to still try and be active y’all need to start looking into and asking to the community for opinions and as to why they don’t feel like playing anymore. Ima be honest if I were a new player I’d probably disconnect after an hour or two.

    That is all I have to say as in regards to the topic and emcs current state.
  12. More activity is nice, but this thread makes me sad. :(
    I'm glad that at least Krysyy's post didn't disappoint. She's amazing.
    I have one complaint, though:
    These paragraphs present entirely new and important information. This should not be a TL;DR. :)
  13. Well there's your problem then. Stop claiming the 'community' is in 100% agreement with what you think. There is nothing more irritating then people claiming the community dislikes something when it's more often then not a handful of people or the loud few that make it seem like it's more. The rest either care not to get invloved or are so sick of this same drama garbage which leads to target practise.

    What something to change? Then come up with a way to do so. Mouthing off and generalizing things will only accomplish the opposite. This garbage is why I don't hang around here that much in the small amount of time I do have to get on.\

    Also have to laugh all these people claiming they know staff business when they have never been one and are only going off what they've been told. How cute.
  14. I get stressful but when she gets to make some mistakes but when a staff does it she demotes them. That seems hypocritical in the highest regard. If you are going to put others to different standards then yourself maybe she shouldn't be in management
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  15. TLDR was in the wrong spot. Meant to be on the last one. Thanks, as always, 607.
  16. This involuntarily made me smile.
    >.>
  17. But the community is in agreement with him. Out of the probably 30-40 long time players I know of that still give a shit about EMC most of them agree that we need some changes
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  18. let the staff state what they think!

    let them say what they think not what you want to hear
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  19. If one of the problems is we don't have enough staff or other positions are not being filled maybe actually put of stuff saying "Hey we need a new Events coordinator" Most people could do that if given a chance. The thing I see most on here especially for staff if people thinking other people can't and because they THINK they can't they don't ever even give them a shot to try
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  20. I'm sorry but you cannot tell them not to respond to something. That's called censorship and is against the law. You legally cannot keep them from responding to a heated post and any staff that do are well within their rights to do so. The fact that you even thought it was a good idea to try and keep staff from responding to certain posts from who? The COMMUNITY shows how much we need a change
  21. What’s wrong you’re scared they’re gonna tell the truth on how bad emc has gotten?