[Forum Game] New Nations

Discussion in 'Forum Games' started by SoulPunisher, Aug 6, 2018.

  1. while we're at it

    weed and psychadelics are legal in the FRNS for sixteen and overs
  2. HMKX is dissapointed at FRNS's continous moral failures. Why should someone be allowed to do things which will alter the way their mind works? Ideally, there should be no drugs. But that's hard, so HMKX will focus on prevention not by treating them as criminals but patients. It is clear drug users need help, and HMKX provides. FRNS, seemingly wants to let them rot.
    Perhaps that's why Indians and Chinese were attacked; the attackers were all high. In any case, HMKX bluntly refuses to associate itself with FRNS. They view the Nation as morally bankrupt, hateful and racist, and then giving up its entire ability to project force, for whatever reason. Are they so arrogant as to think they can be a great power without the very source of Power?
  3. The UFOS does nothing but spread lies. If the UNAFR wanted to give all their children Marijuana and Cigarettes, why are there laws which only allow people 22 and over to smoke? Why is there a heavy tax on it? Why does the UNAFR plan to reduce the smoking population?

    UNAFR calls UFOS's justice system cruel, no one deserves 5 to 10 years for selling cigarettes, UFOS is becoming a dictatorship. Instead of angering literally their entire population, the UNAFR works on ways to subtly remove dangers to society. The UNAFR wouldn't be surprised if UFOS starts handing 20-year life sentences to anyone which disagrees with their laws. UFOS people are not happy at all and protest in the streets.

    Here are UNAFR's laws on drugs and Marijuana:
    Drugs are no doubt illegal, drugs cause harm and death and cripple society. Marijuana is different, Marijuana doesn't kill people, it doesn't harm people, it only harms young minds, that's why the age limit for consumption of Marijuana is now 19 in the UNAFR. How does society not realize that prescription drugs are the main killer in drug overdoses? That's why the government is tracking people's prescription records which don't allow patients who have received prescriptions to receive more medicine from other pharmacies.

    As for LSD, it isn't really talked about, it doesn't have any evidence of overdose, although due to the craze features from the side affects, the government has banned selling and distributing of LSD, although it isn't like selling cocaine levels of illegal.

    Hardcore drugs like cocaine, heroin and that category are no doubt illegal and will have people end up in jail for possession of such dangers.

    Marijuana has no records of causing death like harder drugs do, Marijuana is still considered a drug, but so are painkillers. The selling and buying of Marijuana is in place in the UNAFR, but it is strictly illegal to sell weed to anyone under the ages of 19, as the mind is still developing and must never be put under such drugs. People are expected to be responsible and smoke in private or designated areas, as no one likes second hand smoke, and blatantly smoking drugs isn't ideal.

    The UNAFR questions FRNS's age law of smoking marijuana and taking psychadelics. 16 is way too young and causes damage to a developing brain. The UNAFR is glad FRNS isn't locking people up for 20 years for doing drugs, but also thinks that they should care more for their younger population, the ones who will be running FRNS in the future.
  4. HMKX has decided to create a high-speed rail line that will transport people, as an alternative to the airliner. They will be far more efficient than Planes and more environmentally friendly. This line will transport lots of people, be very large and generally a cheap and efficient option for the thrifty traveler.
    The Rail Line will be 220 kilometers per hour. While it could be faster (by 100 kilometers, no less), laying a rail line across Russia is not cheap. This will be very extensive, connecting every large city across the vast HMKX landmass. As such, it will be the first of its kind which will solve a fundamental HMKX problem; the fact that there is too much land and too little people (or at least that the land is uninhabitable). While the infrastructure will be able to be upgraded up to 320 kilometers per hour, that's a future problem. As such a vast project will not be easy, HMKX will provide technical assistance once it is done.
    It will take 5 years to complete the project.
  5. South Africa and the Democratic Republic of the Congo are eyeing Namibia.
    Suspiciously.
    HMKX has caught on, but they're too busy and tired to act.
    Meanwhile, the usual fare of ruthlessly executing corrupt persons has turned into a messy disaster from several misfires in a firing squad. The corrupt person accepted bribes and was due to be executed, but the rounds that were used were of low quality (somehow, they are supposed to be reliable) and jammed a gun. The sole person that hit missed the chest and instead wounded them in the gut. While multiple attempts were made to permanently kill him, it took over 20 minutes in what would have been a minute-long affair. It has called into question HMKX's brutality towards corruption. Some still support it, but others say that it is too brutal, and that the brutal execution was entirely planned.
  6. The UNAFR requests to rejoin the OEO
  7. Sure why not
  8. OOC:Look at the USA today how big of a problem do they have?
  9. The UNAFR kindly asks the UFOS to remove their outrageous 5 year prison sentence to those who smoke near minors. It not only ruins peoples lives, but it also causes the nation to hate their government. The UNAFR wants to bring justice to the people and their families who are ruined by this new law.

    If UFOS doesn't remove the 5 year prison sentences on minor crimes, the OEO will have to intervene
  10. There are so many ways to stop that problem. AKA heavily taxing cigarettes, raising age limits, reducing the amount of stores, excluding healthcare to those with disease directly caused by excessive smoking, or even just full out banning of any cigarette company and all distribution of cigars.

    Giving people 5 years creates more problems than what you started with, and the UNAFR doesn't like this, especially because UNAFR citizens in UFOS can be affected by this.
  11. UNAFR citizens in UFOS agree to abide by our laws if they don't like them they can leave
  12. OEO states this will probably cause more harm than good and that it is unrealistic.
    OEO advises strict penalties for selling cigarettes to minors, instead of penalties for smoking near minors. In addition, OEO advises different penalties such as a heavy fine for smoking near playgrounds or public buildings, and to give 28 days of community service or other such lighter sentences for smokers near schools.
    HMKX has offered to help UFOS and UNAFR create High-Speed Rail Lines. HMKX, being the first to do this has learned some lessons, and has offered to help the similarly vast nations transport peoples easily. HMKX has also proposed to other Asian Nations as well as WEO that High-Speed Rail lines be made in a large scale, particularly in Asia creating a vast Asian Network and that HMKX would appreciate subsidies and aid. They are also closing down Coal Plants in favor of Nuclear and other Renewable Sources of power.
    OOC: Since I love battleships so much, I decided to create a hypothetical for-HMKX battleship. had battleships stayed viable well into the 60s. Yes, the battleship is horribly obsolete now except the possible exception of the Amistad, which was built for shore bombardment. If we ever do an NN in the 1900s, I might use these. I used the US Navy in WW2 as a benchmark. HMKX battleships are a lot larger, but HMKX has a lot bigger GDP so a comparable fleet to the US wouldn't be so bad.
    Ashoka-Class Battleship:
    61,671 tons displacement standard load, 69,821 tons displacement full load.
    26-27 knots full speed
    Being a "vanilla" Battleship, it is armed with 9 18-inch guns, 3 in three-gun turrets. It is a decent battleship, being well armed and decently fast. It has heavy Antiaircraft weaponry and is able to fight off just about every other UNAFR or FRNS Battleship on equal terms and come out on top, or to survive a sustained air attack with its heavy AA. It is a terror of the seas, and it is produced in relatively large numbers. 8 in the class. It is designed to be better than any other battleship and still be economical, and it succeeded. It is a genius design, fast for its weight and heavily armed. With radical innovations taken to save weight, it sacrifices very little.
    Zheng He-Class Battleship: (Yes, I just recycled the name from the Supercarrier.)
    48,230 tons displacement Standard Load, 57,123 tons displacement Full Load.
    32-33 knots full speed
    HMKX's fast intercept Battleship, a fast ship. While admittedly slower than the UNAFR Iowa, HMKX has deemed such speed unneeded, replacing it with formidable Antiaircraft Armament. With three three-gun turrets with 16 inches, it is good in the way of Armament, being superior to all existing FRNS battleships. It is fast enough to intercept most enemy ships and be decently armored, with an all-or nothing scheme that has proven effective. Only 3 ships will be built in the class.
    Yi Sun-Shin-Class Battleship: (Yes, I know it's the same as the Aircraft Carrier. Yes, you should look him up. Yes, he was the best Admiral ever. Yes, that's why I keep naming ships after him.)
    91,132 tons displacement standard load
    100,031 tons displacement full load
    29 knots full speed
    With a substantial part of this ship's displacement going to power, its armament is quite impressive. With 4 turrets carrying 3 18-inch guns, it is a formidable sea vessel. Heavily armored with an all-or-nothing scheme, it is no joke in the sea, being quite fast, and it has heavy AA, just like every other HMKX battleship. Of course, all this good comes at a cost, namely the fact that it is far too expensive to operate in large numbers. As such, only 2 will be built. One of these monstrosities would probably sink 2 Queen Elizabeth-Class Battleships at once and still have enough energy left to fight it out with a few Cruisers. That's why there's only 2. It is a decent design, fast, powerful and well armed.
  13. The UNAFR votes Yea for a change on smoking laws in the UFOS

    The UNAFR has taken the HMKX's advice and plans to work on a high-speed rail system. It will be heavily invested in and will allow faster and cleaner travel throughout the UNAFR.



    Red: John A. Macdonald speed railway. It is named after him due to his notoriety for building Canada as a nation and uniting the nation with a dream of a continental railway.

    Orange: Atlantic Sub Rail.

    Construction begins now and will end in 4 years. Los Angeles is considering a railway through San Diego to Portland to meet with John A. Macdonald speed railway.
  14. UFOS has changed the penalties around so now it's
    2-3 years for SELLING tobacco and cigarettes to minors and it's a 1000$ fine for smoking near them
  15. Change the jailtime to 90 days, 2-5 is way too long
  16. HMKX EDUCATION:
    HMKX, being a multicultural and multiracial nation has been quick to emphasize each nation's strengths and history (even if they were against each other) as glorious and powerful, and that HMKX is a Union and a Nation that will defend Eastern Interests.
    In more recent History, now that Japan is gone HMKX bluntly portrays Nazi Germany as systematically evil and Imperial Japan as barbaric and savage, and being terribly unrepentant unlike Germany. This has decayed relations between HMKX and Japan, but HMKX is so powerful that Japan can't actually do much.
    TUN and later UNAFR are portrayed as Nations that were ultimately not very different from HMKX, with their own strengths and weaknesses, and as a powerful and respectable Nation despite the differences.
    UWE is seen and portrayed as a nation with great potential.
    UFOS is portrayed as "annoying but sometimes useful sidekick".
    FRNS is portrayed as a lot of racist cowards that can't accept their time is over and decided for no apparent reason to eradicate their own ability to project force, being extremely stupid. This portrayal is actually less extreme than the Public Opinion.
    HMKX's hatred for them is extreme, to the point that they have a continuous and ongoing embargo with them and refuses to reestablish diplomatic relations. They also refuse to let FRNS ships through Gibraltar or Suez. They also constantly send mail from different puppet addresses just to annoy them. Sometimes, packages are sent filled with including, but not limited to
    • Ash
    • Mysterious White Powder. Upon closer inspection, revealed to be non-toxic.
    • Fecal Matter.
    • Hair
    • Creepy Dolls
    • "Human Remains". Upon analysis, it was revealed to be Pork.
    • (according to HMKX, accidental) Anthrax. Sample was retrieved 3 minutes after delivery by HMKX agents. Said Agents called the FRNS Authorities for a thorough decontamination. No Anthrax was found at the site.
    They also continuously slander Britain in World War 2, and ridicule both their performance and losses as having somehow failed to defeat the Nazis despite having a massive Empire.
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  17. HMKX has proposed a Naval treaty that constrains the number of Capital Ships that can be built, to prevent an endless arms race. A capital ship is defined as a Ship taking up significant funds or displacement. Superheavy Cruisers are included within this category.
    HMKX and UNAFR will have near-parity in the way of capital ships.
    HMKX will be allocated 1,800,000 tons of full load displacement for Capital Ships. This tonnage includes already built ships.
    UNAFR will be allocated 1,620,000 tons of full load displacement for Capital Ships. The rest of NPAT is not allowed to build or purchase Capital ships. Ditto.
    UFOS will be allocated 1,260,000 tons of full load displacement for Capital Ships. Ditto.
    UWE will be allocated 900,000 tons of full load displacement for Capital Ships. Ditto.
    Supercarriers can be built up to a maximum displacement of 125,000 tons for UNAFR and HMKX Empire. 115,000 tons for UFOS and 100,000 tons for UWE. Older ships do not count.
    This is designed to prevent a costly arms race. The ratio of total displacement is 10:9:7:5. The ratio of individual ship displacement is 25:25:23:20.
    OOC: This won't change the balance of power, much. It allows breathing room for more and bigger ships. NPAT is not rich enough to buy Capital Ships anyway. (They aren't cheap. At all. You have to be very powerful to purchase or make one of these things.)
  18. This reminds me, HMKX still has 2 60,000 ton Supercarriers on for sale, conventionally powered STOBAR.
    Recommended for UWE. Most of the rest were sold to various allies, but HMKX still has 6 Nanking-Class Destroyers as well as 2 Ulaanbaatars left.
  19. UFOS accepts
  20. NPATAR will purchase all of them if the UWE doesn't respond within 10 posts