[DEBATE] Presidential Election - 2016 (closing Nov 22)

I read this as 'shape' meaning literal shape, so I glanced at the quote, thought "Is downhill a shape?" then realised what you meant by 'shape' xD

Hillary in my opinion would be the worst president if she is elected

What evidence do you have of that she will take away your second amendment? I think that is fear mongering. Obama has been in office for 8 years and still have the 2nd amendment. He wanted to close the gun show loophole and keep people on the no fly list from buying guns and that never even happened. So I think you are a long way from losing your 2nd amendment. I always think it is funny how for some the unsubstantiated fear of losing their guns is the most important issue in the country. Hillary will be elected, for better or worse, and you will still have your guns. If I'm wrong you can shoot me.

Hillary is promoting a ban on all assault weapons and has said "I believe weapons have no place on our streets". Our right to bear arms is pretty damn important to me and to many people. People should have the right to defend themselves with firearms. Do you disagree?

I disagree, but that probably doesn't matter as I've never lived in the USA.

Wow... I am not even going to pretend i have read all the posts in this thread!

The way I see it Cliff notes style....

Do i vote for a proven liar and thief? ( yes, I am old enough to have heard both sides of her lies.)
OR
Do I vote for a man that will say inappropriate things at awkward moments?

Hmmmmm......
How about we all just promise to be really good to each other, not shoot anyone unless they really really deserve it, and skip the election this time?

Hillary said, "I believe weapons of war have no place on our streets", which is quite different than your misquote. Yes, she was talking about assault rifles. It depends where you draw the line. Fully automatic weapons are against the law as are RPGs, field artillery and citizens owning tanks. I am a gun owner but I do believe we should better control who is able to purchase them. I am really sick of the way the NRA fear mongers that if even there are any additional controls on gun ownership that they will take all your guns away. And it's all about money. They do it to scare you so you donate more money to the NRA. The NRA president makes over a million a year plus all his fees for speeches. He's banking on your fear. Yes, he wants you good and scared.

SkeleTin007 said: ↑

And besides, she will even take away our second amendment of the right to bear arms

In which that is completely absurd. I just hope Hillary isn't elected, but I think she needs to be put in prison

What evidence do you have of that she will take away your second amendment? I think that is fear mongering. Obama has been in office for 8 years and still have the 2nd amendment. He wanted to close the gun show loophole and keep people on the no fly list from buying guns and that never even happened. So I think you are a long way from losing your 2nd amendment. I always think it is funny how for some the unsubstantiated fear of losing their guns is the most important issue in the country. Hillary will be elected, for better or worse, and you will still have your guns. If I'm wrong you can shoot me.

How could SkeleTin007 shoot you if he is right and she does take our guns? Didn't think that one through did you? Also, you seem to take many things said out of context and/or without looking into actual reasoning behind such statements...

You got me. Sorry SkeleTin007, you won't be able to shoot me cause Hillary is gonna take your guns away. It just astounds me that people think that if Hillary is elected she will take all your guns away. So say goodbye to your guns cause, guess what (reality check), she's gonna win. And in ten years when you still have your guns you will still be scared someone will take them away and the republicans will still try to make you afraid cause you think you will lose your guns. Is there life on Mars?

Who is John Galt? I guess that's the real question here. Anyways, I didn't know that the election was over yet, but according to you it is. There is still a possibility that either candidate can win, as the race is very close as of now. Oh and by the way, you are very good at being condescending to other people that you don't even personally know...

Also, I guess you could say this forum is biased anyways based on the poll at the top of the page. I know that a third party candidate will not win this election. However, even though I may not support one, you still have to include one because they are still technically part of the race. This is a huge problem with America, having a lot of people that can vote, but next to none of them are actually informed voters about many things that are going on and pertain to the election.

You're correct that Hillary might not win. The Russians have hacked into 20 states voting systems that we know of and we know who they want for president. It's all very disheartening. I'm not sure I can stomach voting for either one but I do know I would never vote for Putin's man.

That's not true lol. Look into her common sense policies instead of just blindly following. I support her when it comes to guns.

Also, why do civilians need guns? I really never understood them.

Of course you believe in all that Russian conspiracy garbage. Exactly what I was saying before, ill-informed voters that believe everything they hear.

Sadly, for a developed country we are a very violent country. Not only in our preoccupation with guns but also desire to own particularly lethal assault rifles that have no use for hunting but only to kill humans. But you can also see it in the sports we enjoy. We prefer the violent version of football. And you can also see it in the way we enjoy waging war with other countries. If we aren't killing we just aren't happy. Trump was asked what he would do about ISIS and he said "we will bomb the sh** out of them" and many Americans loved it. Pure and simple blood lust. It's sad but we are a very violent, intolerant society.

And you claim I'm condescending. Is it garbage that Trump has on numerous occasions voiced his admiration for Putin? As Putin has for him. Trump even felt it necessary to lie about meeting with him. That's not garbage. We know that the Russians have hacked 20 states voting systems. Wonder why? Not hard to figure out. Trump praised UK for leaving the EU. He said we should leave NATO. Putin has to be salivating. When Trump was asked about Russia being in the Ukraine he didn't even know they were there. LOL. Then he said he would tell Putin for them to leave and they would. This is so bizarre. And you say I'm ill-informed. I'm being rational. This Russia connection stinks bad.

Literally, like 100% of what you said was biased opinion that is very skewed and un-informed. I could counter all that you said but will get to the big point that you make. You say that Americans are very happy for Trump promising to destroy ISIS. This is very true. I just question why you don't feel the same way. What you basically said is that it is wrong for Americans to be happy for a solution that will help to end the problem of a TERRORIST group who cruelly kills people for various reasons that make no sense at all. You want them to continue their terror and killings of innocent people?

Aye, I disagree!

Weapons have no place on the streets. They cause more harm than they fix.

I wouldn't call it 'conspiracy garbage' if I were you. They invaded Crimea, they're funding anti-EU rebels in Ukraine and supplying them with weapons, they're trying to form their own trade bloc like the EU, they have flown bomber planes into the UK and then advocated us leaving it. They want Eastern Europe primed for annexation and reliance on the Russian Federation by removing the European Union from the picture - what better way to hasten that than to pull the strings of the United States president?

They want Eastern Europe back. They want a fascist France. They want to intimidate the UK. They want a fascist US to aid them in their aims. I bet they'd love nothing more than to wipe Germany off the map, too.

You call people who don't support Trump ill-informed, which I'm guessing means you haven't seen things like /r/the_Donald lol.

Bombing the shit out of them isn't the way you deal with terrorist organisations. All that does is make more terrorist organisations because you're killing more innocents ISIS ever could by themselves.

What I said were facts. Most of it Trump said himself so how can you say it was biased opinion? Seriously? As far as the ISIS comment, why couldn't he say something like, we will work in cooperation with other countries in the region to eliminate ISIS. Instead he has to say, "we'll bomb the sh** out of them. He is such a class act.