Fixed. Migrated everything to wiki and consolidation messed it up. Future note: That DOES deserve a PM, not a status post. I don't have time to review everyone's status posts. =P
Thanks Ah, I figured I'd spare you "another darn PM, my goodness it's been fifteen million of em today", but thanks for letting me know, I'll do that next time. D:
We just started discussing conduits this morning. It may be a few days and we'll update the list when a final decision is made.
From the economy point of view, conduits are currently in the rank of beacons and elytra. It would be better to regulate the minimum starting price instead of minimum count - where it is now regulated. This would more to the point and through a straight logic satisfy the original intent of the rule - to deter members from making pointless or mock auctions, i.e. auctions just for fun or just to learn how auctions work.
We will not regulate a minimum price. It's an auction and regulates itself by what players are willing to pay just as with all items on EMC at this time.
By regulating the minimum count the market is unintentionally indirectly influenced. It would be less influenced by setting a minimum value for an auction - which would not mean setting minimum price per item - because the count is not limited. In the current situation on EMC it is questionable if the minimum count rules have any positive effect. What is on the other side clear is that they are a burden for everyone involved. Also, any rule that does not follow a clear and direct logic of the intention behind it is bound to create confusion and raise questions about possible hidden intentions.
The minimum quantity is part of reducing auction spam of random low item amounts. The last rule change decreased the quantity to encourage creating threads, but with fewer bumps so it doesn't clutter the recent threads list. If anything the item counts are less burdensome. (9 stacks is more accessible than a DC) The idea of minimum bid is the minimum amount the auctioneer is willing to let their items go for. There is supposed to be risk in this. Low starting bids may attract bidders, but could lead to an under-priced end. We also find that some items are hilariously cheap. People give away sugarcane and bamboo for free because it's so common... We would not place rules that would further undercut items like that whether they went for 1r or 1000r. Generally prices are going down for items, not just in auctions. Creating a floor price in auctions would create an inconsistency.
This is a misunderstanding. The regulation wouldn't affect any of the auctions where the count of items is above current limits. It would only affect auctions under current limits, for example auction of 1 stack of diamond blocks. Example: "There is no minimum count of items if the starting price is above 500r." Exactly. We see that the low count is not the problem, it is rather the low value of auctioned items that makes it easy to create mock or joke auctions.
inconsistency between auctions and all other shop interactions also I don't think there's been a joke auction in a while
Auctions and player shops are not really comparable. Anyway, even if, it wouldn't be changed. BTW, no one would sell just few blocks in an auction instead of selling in their player shop. The needed effort prohibits that. Exactly - the problem that was the target of the rule isn't there (any more), only the burden remains. Whether joke auctions would again appear - I doubt that. Probably not. And even if, it would mean that there is a need which could be answered in a way that would create new value.
We limit things by count and not a set value because I don't want to moderate an auction that has 12 diamonds, 12 emeralds, 15 gold blocks, 29 carrots, 67 potatoes, 54 beets, 11 mushroom, 37 red wool, 38 red terracotta, 85 blue carpet, 6 pieces of dirt, 9 iron shovels, 5 sheep eggs, 8 villagers, 29 wolf eggs, 125 bones, 187 bone meal, 5 red tulips, 7 white tulips, 34 orange tulips, 86 orange glass, etc... It has little to do with setting final prices for items. It has everything to do with not making staff's head hurt.
Exactly! Let's think if there is a more intelligent and better solution that would lower the burden, lower the confusion potential, be more natural and to the point - and at the same time increase the usability of the auctions forum. A win-win improvement. Of course, we do need to take into account that we do have young and new members who, naturally, need to learn and experience a lot before we can expect them to understand causalities, coherences and implications like grown ups and old members do.
I think, the whole discussion would be more appropriate for suggestions section? I'm genuinely curious to hear your thoughts and see an example.
Quick question, are Suspicious Stew auctionable? Considering their 'blind' nature, it seems like this might apply under 'Blind Box Auctions / Surprise Items' although this isn't exactly clear. For context: these Suspicious Stews give an effect upon consumption, but unless the auctioneer knows how it was crafted, it's impossible to know what effect it gives without the NBT being examined (which we can't do on EMC).
