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Rules Updates: August 11, 2018

Discussion in 'Empire News' started by Krysyy, Aug 12, 2018.

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Dr_Chocolate Revered Member

Y'all got me like

Dr_Chocolate, Aug 12, 2018

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CaptainFoxy_ Venerable Member

Krysyy said: ↑

48 hours is nowhere near stabilization time. It will take a few weeks, as this was a long-term improvement.

So you are just going to "Wait it out" so people can forget that this rule is absolute trash? Come on Krysyy

CaptainFoxy_, Aug 12, 2018

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Windylava Revered Member

Krysyy said: ↑

48 hours is nowhere near stabilization time. It will take a few weeks, as this was a long-term improvement.

Long enough of us to "hopefully" forget and just deal with the changes. I disagree Krysyy. 48 hours seems more than fair.

Windylava, Aug 12, 2018

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Warlord678 Elite Member

Krysyy said: ↑

48 hours is nowhere near stabilization time. It will take a few weeks, as this was a long-term improvement.

That is a good point. Perhaps a week.
But not two weeks, if they forget about it.
The average Empire player will not be affected too much, but big business will.
Big business funds. Big business thinks in the millions, 10 millions. They auction lots of things, at once and make lots of profit. Now think about if profits were cut in half, hmm?
Big business makes big and cheap malls. And if money doesn't go around, the economy will slowly crumble. No money, no selling, nothing for the average empire player.
Capitalism depends on circulation, not stagnation.
Reduction of profits will do nothing to help.

Warlord678, Aug 12, 2018

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fadedmartian Revered Member

Krysyy said: ↑

48 hours is nowhere near stabilization time. It will take a few weeks, as this was a long-term improvement.

Can we put it up for vote now

fadedmartian, Aug 12, 2018

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CaptainFoxy_ Venerable Member
TheGovernment said: ↑

Seems as if my presence has been requested.

We are gathered here today to discuss the controversy of the new Auction Rules.

The previous rules limited the qty of most items to DoubleChest quantities, whether it be 54 items for potions(example) or 54 stacks of an item, whichever amount fully filled a DoubleChest.

The previous rules also allowed you to advertise your auction. Whether it be in game using the Marketplace chat channel, or via status on the forums.

The previous rules allowed you to "bump" your auction nor more than once every 3 hours allowing more traction to the auction.

In short, the new rules allow you to auction any amount of items, disallow bumping your auction(s), and remove any form of advertising for your auction. The controversy on these changes has already shown that it is a very split thought on whether the changes were good or not. Therefore I would like to respond to this thread with my own thoughts and opinions, hopefully unbiased. I will discuss each point individually.

Quantity Limit Removed
Pros:

Allows for more auctions of non-bulk amounts of sought-after items that are harder to acquire

Allows for more players to host auctions

Allows for more players to bid on auctions they previously could not afford

Cons:

Having more auctions fills the "Recent Threads side bar"

Having more auctions fills the Auction subforum

Harder to search for the auction you wish to bid on due to the broken search functionality

Auction Advertising Removed

Pros:

Removes "clutter/spam" from the Market channel in-game

Cons:

Removes any chance for your auction to gain traction via in-game links

Removes any chance for your auction to gain traction via forum status posts

Auction Bumping Removed

Pros:

Removes clutter of auctions in the "Recent Threads side bar"

Allows the auction to "die out" allowing the last bidder a higher chance to win

Allows for non-auction threads to fill the "Recent Threads side bar"

Cons:

Can cause your auction to "die out" too soon, possibly resulting in a less than market value sale

Can possibly cause your thread to not be seen by those who should see it

Suggested Changes
I would not want to discuss the controversy of these changes without suggesting what I feel are middle-ground changes that could please both sides of this "argument".
Regarding the removal of quantity limits: I agree with previous posts that the satisfaction of hosting the newly allowed auctions will die out and will at some point return to normal. I think that this change was good for the community and should not be adjusted.
Regarding the removal of auction advertisements: I do not agree with this change in any way. The Market channel in game, from what I have seen myself, is not used to its fullest extent. The majority of what I have seen being posted in the Market channel is players hopping between servers to advertise their shop/mall/casino to players on other smp's. I believe that auction advertising in this Market channel is good for the community, and if it were to be spammed more often a mute or warning can be issued, as per the spam rules. Removing auctions from being posted in that channel not only lessens the traction your auction could potentially gain, but also lessens the usage of said channel. If you want to remove one form of advertising in the channel, remove all advertising in the channel. At that point though, the Market channel becomes rather useless and hurts the economy, thus the community.
Regarding the removal of auction bumping: While in a way I do agree with this change, as it removes unnecessary posts to the auctions, it also removes the possibility of additional players seeing the auction. Instead of removing the 3 hour bump limit completely, it should be weened off to allow easier adjusting. It was stated that these rules, for now, would not be enforced too much, until enough time for adjustment is given. What is the point of having a rule you do not plan to enforce strictly? To counter this, one of several options are possible. The first being that the 3 hour bump limit could have been changed to 8 hour bumps, or 12 hour bumps for the time being, and then slowly changed to being disallowed. This would allow for the easier transition of the new changes. An alternative to this is to add a second recent threads sidebar module that is white-listed to only the Auctions subforum. This is entirely possible with the current version of Xenforo. The third option I foresee is that an Auction tab be added to the top of the forums allowing easier access to the auctions subforum. If the point of this change was to remove clutter from the current Recent Threads section, then the high post count sections, such as the Forum Games section, should be removed from the recent thread section allowing for more player to see and interact with community posts.

Conclusion

To conclude this post, the controversy surrounding the new auction rules shows that a poll or some sort of survey should have been used for the discussion of the changes to the Auction Rules, similar to what was done with the Macros changes. It is best to include the community in the changes before they are made, to come to a better middle-ground for the changes to be made. The Macros changes were based on community input which came with minimal backlash. The same should have been done for these Auction Rules changes, and I hope that staff have learned from this that the community has spoken.

Hey Krysyy, please read this again, I suggest you do
CaptainFoxy_, Aug 12, 2018

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Windylava Revered Member

Honestly.... Me throughout this whole thread

Windylava, Aug 12, 2018

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Warlord678 Elite Member

Wow, it stopped for 3 minutes! YAY!

Warlord678, Aug 12, 2018

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ShyguytheGamer1 Revered Member

This thread is becoming more and more like the 2016 election mixed with a black mirror episode

God wake me up inside...

ShyguytheGamer1, Aug 12, 2018

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Windylava Revered Member

Or like idk.... they could fix it. Then we can all be happy.

Windylava, Aug 12, 2018

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Dr_Chocolate Revered Member

Live look into EMC staff chatroom:

Dr_Chocolate, Aug 12, 2018

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fadedmartian Revered Member

Dr_Chocolate said: ↑

Live look into EMC staff chatroom:

banned

fadedmartian, Aug 12, 2018

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Dr_Chocolate Revered Member

FadedMartian said: ↑

banned

I'm just the comedic relief. I couldn't care less what happens to this server. A couple buddies told me to come back and read this thread lol

Dr_Chocolate, Aug 12, 2018

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ShyguytheGamer1 Revered Member

Dr_Chocolate said: ↑

I'm just the comedic relief. I couldn't care less what happens to this server. A couple buddies told me to come back and read this thread lol

It's fantastic, keep going!

ShyguytheGamer1, Aug 12, 2018

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Impulsive_Egg Elite Member

Dr_Chocolate said: ↑

I'm just the comedic relief. I couldn't care less what happens to this server. A couple buddies told me to come back and read this thread lol

these comedic relief comments are making the whole thing better

Impulsive_Egg, Aug 12, 2018

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fadedmartian Revered Member

Dr_Chocolate said: ↑

I'm just the comedic relief. I couldn't care less what happens to this server. A couple buddies told me to come back and read this thread lol

its okay ill soon join you in meme heaven

fadedmartian, Aug 12, 2018

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Dr_Chocolate Revered Member

Mr. Bean: Me
Hand: Mod Review

Dr_Chocolate, Aug 12, 2018

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Olliesaurus_Rex Elite Member

Please didgeri-don't-do this, Krysyy

Olliesaurus_Rex, Aug 12, 2018

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Dr_Chocolate Revered Member

ShyguytheGamer1 said: ↑

It's fantastic, keep going!

Dr_Chocolate, Aug 12, 2018

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fadedmartian Revered Member

i love how all the alts are coming out of the dark corners of emc for the spectacular event

fadedmartian, Aug 12, 2018

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