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I don't want to have to close this like the last one (though I'm sure it will due to it's nature) I have to ask that you don't specifically insult people based on their voting decisions/affiliations.

I know it's hard due to the high emotions of the topic, but if we can't keep it civil I will close it.

not sure where you copied and pasted that from but nothing you said shows how a President can lower the price of gas

semantics... the fact is that he referred to it as an act of terror.

go ahead and close it, because that wasn't an insult. i simply said that there was a caricature about both Republicans and Democrats and your statements are reflecting the caricature.

that's not an insult. you should be proud of your beliefs.

Just be more careful with your words and don't try and tell affiliations what their beliefs are for them and we'll be okay.

The price of gas is up 50% because the dollar has been devalued 50%.

Obama's excuse or justification of Gas prices being twice as much as when he took office "in 2008 the economy was about to collapse" gave me tears of laughter. What a total lie. Well look at 2008 the Dems controlled both houses of Congress. The Congress was spending like fools even Obama voted as a Senator to spend spend spend. Now unemployment was at 5.5% now 4 years 5 trillion in debt and millions of jobs lost Obama is trying to convince things are better??? If Obama was correct in his example gas should be $1! Maybe Obama should of really said "I cut all drilling in the Gulf" I have placed 1500 new EPA regulations on the oil industry" or "I vetoed the Keystone Pipeline" would of been closer to the truth..

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Hey, just voicing my opinion and backing it up with proof.

All of it was fine except for the "fool" remark. Gotta be fair to both sides now.

Bobthetomato, the price of gas isn't based on the value of the dollar. So while I respect you have a lot of passion, you need to educate yourself a bit more about how gas prices are set because the U.S. doesn't set the prices, the value of the dollar isn't a determining factor, and the President has no control over the price.

ps. http://www.opec.org/opec_web/en/

I think we should be able to sign an agreement that allows ourselves to be the recipient of name-calling in political threads on here. Basically saying I don't care if someone who is misinformed about the subject he is talking about calls me a fool because it's humorous to me. It's literally impossible for anyone to insult me in this thread, impossible.

In terms of the gas thing...it's hard to properly word it. Gas isn't really going UP in price as much as it's the price of the dollar is going DOWN. The dollar should be going up with it, but since our economy is in the crapper now, it just feels like it's a gas problem.

In MY opinion, opening up drilling here would allow us to have gas to not only use (making our dollar worth more since we can use it for other things than gas), we can use that gas to sell to other countries, again helping the value of our dollar by using that profit to kill the debt.

No.

Edit: If insulting someone is a must in your debating needs (which to me kinda kills wanting to debate someone who as to go there), please exchange private chat info with people whom you would like to insult and take it private.

We could just start using solar power...

the links i left up there.. just thought i would tell you.. are far right.. just so you know. Very openly so.. they have heavy bias. I do not pick sides in these things.. but I just thought I would point it you. There are plenty of level news sources.. But rush limbaugh, and washington post are far from that.

I'm not sure if he was trying to say they were ALL even in his post, but using them to show that the news was spread all over the place, left, right, middle, etc.

Let's frame this whole discussion about gas prices in an Obama vs Romney perspective because you can be against Obama all you want, even if your facts are incorrect, but unless you're against Romney too then your opinions don't jive very well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/24/b...onomics-and-politics.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

http://www.ohio.com/blogs/drilling/...-7-million-jobs-this-year-study-says-1.344734

http://www.cnn.com/2012/08/27/politics/fact-check-energy/index.html

I read the links you posted... well not ALL of the links Bob posted but several of them... so now you can read the ones I just posted.

prepare to be pwned

You are correct it is not based on the value you of the dollar. That doesn't mean it has nothing to do with the dollar.

Oil prices aren't high right now. In fact, they are unusually low.

What the politicians, analysts, and pundits are missing is that prices are ratios. Gasoline prices reflect crude oil prices, so let’s use West Texas Intermediate (WTI) crude oil to illustrate this crucial point.
As this is written, West Texas Intermediate crude oil (WTI) is trading at $105.88/bbl. All this means is that the market value of a barrel of WTI is 105.88 times the market value of “the dollar”. It is also true that WTI is trading at €79.95/bbl, ¥8,439.69/barrel, and £67.13/bbl. In all of these cases, the market value of WTI is the same. What is different in each case is the value of the monetary unit (euros, yen, and British pounds, respectively) being used to calculate the ratio that expresses the price.

In terms of judging whether the price of WTI is high or low, here is the price that truly matters: 0.0602 ounces of gold per barrel (which can be written as Au0.0602/bbl). What this number means is that, right now, a barrel of WTI has the same market value as 0.0602 ounces of gold.

During the 493 months since January 1, 1971, the price of WTI has averaged Au0.0732/bbl. It has been higher than that during 225 of those months and lower than that during 268 of those months. Plotted as a graph, the line representing the price of a barrel of oil in terms of gold has crossed the horizontal line representing the long-term average price (Au0.0732/bbl) 29 times.

At Au0.0602/bbl, today’s WTI price is only 82% of its average over the past 41+ years. Assuming that gold prices remained at today’s $1,759.30/oz, WTI prices would have to rise by about 22%, to $128.86/bbl, in order to reach their long-term average in terms of gold. As mentioned earlier, such an increase would drive up retail gasoline prices by somewhere between $0.65 and $0.75 per gallon.

At this point, we can be certain that, unless gold prices come down, gasoline prices are going to go up—by a lot. And, because the dollar is currently a floating, undefined, fiat currency, there is no inherent limit to how far the price of gold in dollars can rise, and therefore no ultimate ceiling on gasoline prices.

I'm glad we cleared that one up.

I think I cleared up what he was trying to say. It's not exactly how you were saying it. As he posted and you left out, it still has something to do WITH the dollar, even if not 100% on it.