Hey y'all, So from what the word that has been going around for new updates and the future of EMC, I think it'd be cool to propose the idea of creating a sequel for EMC. An EMC server that can be compatible for future minecraft updates. With the server been stuck in 1.12 for quite some time now, it is missing out on a lot of opportunity on the Aquatic and Village and Pillage updates, especially since it is summertime/holidays. Since the 1.14 update, the gaming community definitely commends Minecraft for welcoming back a lot of its veterans and people are jumping online out of curiosity to check out how much development the game has gone under. Understandably, I know that the server has been difficult to keep up with 1.13 and now 1.14. There are HUGE changes in the progressing updates. So huge that it really effects the way the community runs in EMC. Villager trading is different, new mobs, different mechanics, more craftable items and new machinery. Taking these into consideration, a lot of player creations, farms and utilities will no longer be compatible for the new updates. Therefore, instead of running hard earned and made player creations, create a server, a sequel, for the EMC community and new players that is compatible for new updates. Yes okay okay. It is a HUGE suggestion. But hey, what have we got to lose. EMC used to be a massive close kept community, people constantly online and being active. I know there are a handful of new players online but it really is not a lot compared to other Minecraft servers that run on at least 1.14.1. To be quite frank, I don't see a lot of evidence from the community surveys and statistics to prove that the interaction in this server is increasing. EMC is in desperate need of a change, a fresh start. The economy of this server has inflated old promo items so steep they are practically invaluable due to nothing else being quite like them. I truly believe that the economy of this server was a huge driving force for players to come online and grind them rupees, to buy and sell these said items. Id like to make a disclaimer, I'm am not a technical person, however, I am definitely a people person. I know people that are from EMC would like to see the server progress and become as great as it used to be. People are still believing and are waiting. I'd hate to let this be brushed aside so thoughts and comments are more than welcome, just keep them to a tone where everyone can be heard and not shut down. Obviously, the idea is extremely broad to how much thought will need to be put into it, but its a good start
-1. I don't think you understand why we aren't on 1.14 jet: It's becasue the custum EMC features aren't working in 1.14 jet, as soon as that all works, EMC is going to be updated. (I know the fact that the preformance of the later ubdates didn't help either) Going to "EMC 2.0" Wouldn't speed anything up. I am a technical person, both in real life (physisist / mathematician) and minecraft (I have two redstone compactemise world records, and worked with the mojang developement team on the piston code, as the developers didn't understand some old functionalities with update order and such) For me, having the 1.12.2 server stay in that update would be a huge bummer too: I made quite some redstone that will only work in 1.13 due to *Technical reasons* I have alredey builded it on EMC becasue I had some time, but the majorety currently doesn't work. (Go to 752 - my storage system. You cannot see much on the surface, but there is over 7DC of redstone components in that thing) I would have to redesign and rebuild all that. I don't think I'm the only technical player who has alredey prepared for the update. I always do. Then: I think the main reason I am still even playing survival is becasue, on EMC, I have everything I would need to build anything. For 752 I didn't need to buy even one block. Everything I needed to construct that thing alredey was in my passive ownership. If it wouldn't I would just have thrown ruppees at someone. I like that: I am an end-game player. I start liking minecraft once I can start focussing on full automation and large scale designing, and that has always been what EMC was about: the end-game. the change from 1.12 to 1.13 and from that to 1.14 aren't that much larger than any other update change. Sure, a lot breaks, but that is always the case when minecraft updates. The more technical you play, the more you've made breaks. so, if we would be comsistant, EMC would have to reopen a server every time minecraft updtes, which would attract a whole different player base than we currently have. I think quite a lot of people would leave entirely.
If having all the additional EMC features makes it this hard to upgrade every time a new update comes out (EMC skipped a whole patch), might it be worth scrapping as much as possible and just focus on keeping everything up to date with the current release? Where EMC was when it was in it's prime was exactly what I and lots of people were looking for. It had an economy and had towns with Lots and most of all, a crazy big player base. I was never too fussed on whatever "Dragon Tombs" was meant to be and, although custom mobs are cool, don't make the game for me. At this point I've just been playing vanilla SP. Honestly not sure there's a right answer. Some people just get burnt out working on the same server for years and years on end. Is probably very hard to keep motivation to stay on top of the updates with real life in the way too (I can only assume).
-1 This is a no for me. Having two seperate servers, separates the community. I prefer how it is, wait for the update since there are so many conflicting things with the recent updates and emc. And that is more money for aikar to pay for another server.
Thanks for your idea. I stand behind Jelle's post. In addition to that: we already have few people on at the moment, and if the servers would be split into two types, we'd probably have even less on each. It would also make things even more confusing for new interested players... 9 smp's, a supporter and a games server is already a lot to take in.
I read the bit about "compatible for future updates" and stopped.. Uhm... One of the big things with the update is that most multiplayer servers are experiencing a ton of lag on the 1.13/1.14 updates... Teleporting = player or server (or both) crashes, too... Furthermore, there are a ton of bugs, several of them I consider critical, in either of the versions, especially in 1.14.... Having played on both, I agree with EMC staying in 1.12. I'm sorry if you disagree... But please be patient with the updates- the delay must be for good reason. I understand this and I am willing to wait.
-1 However, all I can say at this point is if emc can't update because of "instability" then please dev team work on other things - the community has been waiting a VERY long time for other promised updates. If the dev team can't make 1.14 work because of how emc is coded, then why not work on things that DO/can work within its code? I will name two that I believe will IMMENSELY help: 1. Global Chat 2. Empires Honestly, it disturbs me that players still spend real money on emc when there is zero transparency about mc updates and continues to disappoint players with empty promises about other updates such as the ones mentioned above.
Because almost all people playing Minecraft prefer to play on the latest full release, not one from two years ago. This especially applies to people who aren't yet players of EMC, but I think it applies to current members as well.
Of course people want to play on the latest release, but if this is just not going to happen anytime soon, why not focus on something else for now?
If they stop working on it then it will never be done and EMC would stay at 1.12; by working on it, even though it's slow progress, they're ensuring that it will be done eventually. If they stopped working on it and switched to dragon tombs or empires or whatever, they'd basically be relying on Mojang to fix the problems which could never happen.
There was a suggestion by fbuilder earlier like last month suggesting Global chat as well as combining servers to cut costs and bring the community more than have it seperated. Here is that link https://empireminecraft.com/threads/suggestion-rupee-rename-global-chat-and-more.80588/ As for adding a temp server, I would link a "beta SMP" where devs can test and players still can play on the server but it's only temporary, till a large update 1.14 is pushed to all servers. Sure it would be buggy but that's the point of beta servers nowadays. Point out bugs and get devs involved more into the community.
Regarding the suggestion. Data conversion to 1.13/1.14 is a valid roadblock to upgrading, but the much larger concern right now is the overall instability of these versions. I am aware of a couple show-stopper issues that are preventing us from progressing much further, unless we find the solution that Mojang has not. My full intentions are to release the 1.14 version, no need for a separate server for these new versions. 1.14.4 Pre-Release was released today, so certainly closer to Mojang getting their game stable... If it was stable, they would have moved on to 1.15. Regrettably, I have been working on some new feature work - but it is on our 1.13/1.14 branch of code. Due to the amount that the code has changed in this update, it is impractical to backport those changes to 1.12. We have well over 10,000 lines of code which have been altered in this update, so work has been done. Interestingly, these are the two non-1.13/1.14 updates that I have been working on. My current hope that both of which will be released alongside the 1.14 update. Both are non-trivial updates though... I'll give some more dev updates soon. Hard to say much without getting people's hopes up... Balancing irl commitments as well.
I think we're in weird part of history, a "grey area" you could say. No one expected Minecraft to get this big, hence why the main code of the game is still single-threaded. Whatever happens to the server happens to the sever, whether it be good or "bad". You must remember that EMC is just another Minecraft server, and it's going to be treated like one. If it loses enough support/money, it'll shut it's doors, if it doesn't, it'll stay up. Simply put.
Agreed. Minecraft Java edition has been improved a whole lot in recent years, but I'm sure there are still a lot of things that aren't done effectively and/or efficiently. And that makes it very special that the team continues to work on it. Honestly, it'd make a lot more sense to drop support for Java edition and only work on Minecraft Bedrock editions, as that's so much more stable. I guess it might just be Mojang's loyalty? Because I would be rather surprised if they earn close to as much with Java edition sales as with Bedrock edition sales (I could be wrong, though; I haven't done my research!).
The Dev team has been working on these updates for a long time it seems, but it would be way to radical to make them move on to other projects or create another EMC version entirely. Maybe more minor changes would help EMC look like it's slowly 'Updating.' Maybe a forums visual overhaul, logo change, forum events; these could keep current players occupied without too much effort, while still working on the major updates ahead.
Thanks for the update... I wish I could help you guys, but I can just about read java, so I'm not going to be able to, as long as I don't take quite some time to learn java and some stuff about working with games... (I can only work in some propriatairy stuff we use for physics simulations at universety, I'm good at that, but that doesn't help...) Anyway, the best of luck, as that seems to be all I can give you guys
