A Note on #Brexit

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by synth_apparition, Jun 4, 2016.

  1. Irish reunification is now turning into a serious debate again for the first time in 20 years.

    Hoping this doesn't revitalise the IRA or something. They've come close to killing my family members (who were actually Irish and not English so lol), so I have a bigger fear of them than even something like ISIS.

    Scotland are beginning the process of calling for a second independence referendum.

    Labour MPs have begun the motion of a vote of no confidence in their leader Jeremy Corbyn. I love the man and his policies but he has handled a lot of stuff very poorly and I don't think he's fit to lead. If we can get a list of possible alternative leaders and I like one or two of them, I'll be all for his resignation. Just please don't bring New Labour politics back...

    EDIT: I redact this statement. The MPs organising a vote of no confidence are using this as an opportunity to spread their power. Corbyn is a genuine person which is rare in a politician: we need that. I have my problems with him letting Labour fracture as much as it has over recent months, but I thoroughly believe we need him. If he gets voted out, I'd argue that's worse than a Brexit.
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  2. Double post because I feel like this is separate from the news stuff I've done and I didn't want to lump it in there. If a mod sees this and wants to add it into the above post, please do so if you feel it to be necessary.

    I just wanted to add here that I'm happy my country (That is, England, and if my ethnicity is the thing that matters, Wales too) has decided whatever 'we' feel is best for us. Sure, I think it against our best interest and it was a dumb move to leave at a time like this and we could have made the EU work, and the other countries within the UK feel like they're not having their own say, but I'm happy this turned out to be a democratic process and not a government just saying "right, we're leaving" like I thought would happen. It has opened up what the English, Welsh, Scottish, and the Northern Irish truly want and it is now clearer than ever the British are not united. And that's okay, we've had a shaky history with eachother and have all done some terrible stuff to eachother, as well as developing differently. A British union was never going to work unless we federalised, and I feel this nation won't survive long enough for that to happen.

    This is the biggest vote in modern British history, that's a fact. I just want to once again give a great big personal thanks to all those of you here who voted - it was very easy not to, and I admire you for voting for what you think is right.

    I have said some things over the last few weeks that could be deemed as personal insults to leave voters (they look like that to me), and I'd like to apologise for my actions. Both campaigns were toxic and I feel that neither should have been listened to and people should have formed their own decisions. I hope the leave voters are happy with the result, no matter how bad of a choice it seems now. We're the island that conquered 25% of the world, spread its culture all over the globe and still maintains a huge presence today - I'm sure we'll be fine, whichever ways Scotland and Northern Ireland and possibly London decide to go when/if they get their own referendums.

    And to my fellow remain voters, I hope we can continue our fight for an ever closer union with Europe, albeit in a more... British way. And, no, that's not running off to invade our European brethren - that's isolating ourselves while being awfully polite about things. I hope you all decide to fight for the terms you think are right to leave in, however this is going to work. Do we stay part of the free market and co-operate, but remain a separate entity? Do we go all in (or out? :p) with leaving now that the vote's out and become Europe's 'that weird kid you knew in school'? Do we go sailing around the world again and setting up colonies (please don't do this!)? Do we fight the EU and their almost guaranteed impending punishment? That's enough rhetorical questions, I think. This post is also way too long. Thank you all <3

    And a second thank you to those who went out of their way to vote. It is seriously important that people vote no matter which way you swing in the debate. I cannot stress this enough. I hope we find a way to make this vote work adequately for both sides of the division. Thanks a ton <3
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  3. Oh good maybe this will keep stocks cheap while I buy them. #collectthosedivs
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  4. Seems like the time to do it :p
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  5. To be honest, I think everyone is going a bit over the top. Most other countries in the world work perfectly fine without the EU.

    The economy going into turmoil is just reactionary because no one really knows what will happen. I was talking to someone today who thinks it'll recover pretty quickly. All the leave people will be happy and so they'll go buy stuff, while all the remain people will panic buy stuff. Lots of people buying stuff is good for the economy.

    It my opinion it'll all work out soon. The faster you get Boris Johnson or whoever in who is really motivated to do this the better it'll turn out.
  6. My main panic is with free movement. That's immensely useful and as someone who doesn't want to live here (now that the Conservatives are not constrained by EU law, they could go immensely volatile, and that's the straw breaking the camel's back on my 'should I stay or should I go' dilemma I've had for the past year or two), I need it. Boris, I don't think, would ever allow that. Besides, nobody wants him as Prime Minister anyway. He's an idiot, and I don't mean because I disagree with him, I just mean he's genuinely brain-dead. If his assumption of the title of PM is decided by the Conservatives and not through a General Election, there will be uproar. Sure, he can be funny through his idiocy, but that is not somebody we want as PM.

    I hated David's guts and I disagree with most of the things he's done, but I can't be happy about him resigning. It just leaves the door open for the right wingers to assume power, and then we have some real problems.

    I feel that we should get a general election by October. I feel that Jeremy Corbyn is the better one to take us through leaving. He'll actually co-operate with the European Union and going to the left for the first years of being outside of the EU will be helpful. After that, I'm fine with moving back to the centre, or hell, even keeping Labour :p

    Anyway, 2AM. I'm tired. It's been a long 48 hours. I need to sleep properly and stop making political posts while I may as well be drunk :p
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  7. Can I just say, even in a general election, you're not picking the PM or even the government. You're voting for a local member who represents you best. They may happen to be from a certain political party. That party may end up having the majority of seats, giving them the right to create an executive. The leader of that aforementioned party just happens to become the prime minister.

    In a perfect world :p
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  8. Most people here vote for the party. I doubt more than 50% of us vote based on a local member lol, we vote based off who we want as PM :p

    For example: I'd vote for Jeremy Corbyn as Prime Minister. I would not vote for the Labour MP who represents me, as after having met the man, I think he's an utter pillock lol.
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  9. Welp. Some greedy Labour MPs are going through with the plan to end Jeremy Corbyn's time as Labour leader. He's announced he's going to fight any challenge to leadership for as long as he can.

    As an average person and not some gluttonous member of parliament, I'm going to join the side of Labour that fights for his premiership.
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  10. Just thought I'd outline the things I'm after now that the vote has been cast.

    Angela Merkel has told the EU to not be nasty to us also. Yay.
    A Labour MP is telling the government to disregard the referendum. Smart move, stupid thing to say. R.I.P his career.
    The Liberal Democrats have pledged to keep Britain in the European Union. I can't see them being listened to at all. If there's a near general election, they're campaigning on a promise to scrap Brexit.
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  11. ... I just realized, will brexit affect every country protected by the British Empire:eek:

    Rest In Peace, European Empire... Rest In Peace
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  12. It will affect the Falkland Islands and South Georgian islands due to Argentina wanting those areas. The Antarctic territory will also be threatened by Argentina. Gibraltar is at a slight threat from Spain due it to being... well, Spanish, but I can't see Spain going up against us anyway and it'd be quite out of character.

    The Commonwealths of Australia, Canada, etc., will be okay. You guys have your own protection - the remnants of the British Empire had the protection of the EU a little bit, but now that the US has no reason to intervene on the UK's behalf anymore leaves us slightly weaker.
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  13. More relevant Polandball:
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  14. Aye,
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  15. Jeremy Corbyn was forced to sack two-thirds of his shadow cabinet members. A vote of no confidence has been passed, although he refuses to resign. I'm happy he didn't resign - the 172 MPs who said they had no confidence in him are New Labourites and they all need to leave and start a new centre-right political party instead of poisoning one that is supposed to be centre-left. He was elected by 60% of the Labour Party, why don't we get a say even though we're the ones who voted him in by a landslide majority? And why are they trying to kick him out anyway if he's leading the Labour Party into more popularity, with them now having a lead over the Conservatives in polls? Just because he was on a side that lost by 3% doesn't mean he's unelectable - they're making him unelectable by stabbing him in the back.
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  16. Because of Brexit, one of these idiots will be our next PM :D

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  17. You've also got to remember that Jeremy Corbyn is as far from centre-left as they are from centre-right so he isn't any better ;)
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  18. By centre-left I meant very left but still respecting democracy and such. Simplifying because people don't understand when you say he's pretty far-left but still values democratic processes.

    Labour is supposed to be hardcore Socialist, but still respecting the parliamentary democracy and not going Communist, unlike someone like the USSR or something. People seem to think that this is Communist-sympathising and whatnot in other countries *cough* America *cough*.
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  19. I don't think they're meant to be hardline socialist, and if they are then they're pretty stupid. I think it's pretty obvious that full on socialism doesn't work.

    What I think they should be aiming for is to support capitalism and right wing economics but ensure that everyone lives with at least minimum standards of some sort (basically above the poverty line)
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  20. They were hardline Socialists until the 80s, when Margaret Thatcher went very far-right and basically criminalised Labour to the public just so she could do her duty in 'destroying the Iron Curtain'. It crippled them and ended up making them shift to the centre-right, which caused the Tories to do the same, but it alienated their core voters and after 2010 it was clear people didn't like it anymore. They were supposed to be destroyed in the 2015 leadership election when Corbyn won 60% of the leadership vote in a record number, but it's clear now the new Labour politicians clearly form an overwhelmingly large majority of the MPs and have took the opportunity to try to remove Corbyn as leader. They will try to replace him with a New Labour politician, and they will fail, and unless they all quit and get replaced with proper Socialists, they will never be in power again.

    And nope, they don't aim for that currently. They want everyone to be way above the poverty line, but also support businesses. It's very clear that nationalising absolutely everything doesn't work - they're aiming to put more money into the NHS from cutting the defence budget (Corbyn has proposed each citizen paying whatever they want of their taxes to defence, whether that be nothing or a big number, or something like that) and to re-nationalise the train services at the moment.
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