I have been into slaughterhouses here in Australia for myself. The conditions of the animals here is by no means horrible or less than desirable. Up until the moment of death they are not mistreated or tortured at all. I have also watched the act of the slaughter take place and it is not as bad as everyone seems to think it is. The animals do not simply just have their throats cut then get left there squealing in agony. It is in fact a very humane act here. And having seen the entire process for myself, I am quite happy to continue eating meat that has been grown and slaughtered here.
So much fighting over such a pointless topic o.o I say stop fighting over what we eat and focus on the more important health topics, like getting rid of alcoholic beverages and cigarettes. That is what I think. Cause I think you will notice the smoke in the room faster than you will notice the steak on the next table(if you are a vegan). (That made no sense at all, but I am leaving that there cause I am too lazy to go back and erase it. I know it is hypocritical to say that as I write more and more, but screw logic, I have bacon.)
I admit that I know nothing of the conditions in Australian slaughter houses; but I find this statement an oxymoron: Breeding animals just to kill them does not seem very humane to me.
Before we bred animals to slaughter for food humans still hunted animals for food and their skins. What's changed is the number of human beings on this planet. If we didn't breed animals for food they would have gone extinct by now. We are keeping the cow, chicken and pig population alive!
I know if almost every human on the planet eats meat that animals have to be breed just for food. If everyone stopped killing animals for food and skins then we would not have to breed them.
What cloth do you wear? ^^ What pills do you take? And have you ever wondered how many flies you kill each year ?
Just go look up "Aurochs" on a search engine. Other thing if you think we are unhumane now back in crusades and before that 1 out 3 men In the world died a horrible death by their standards we are having pillows fights
If a lactating goat doesn't get milked every day (preferably twice) it becomes very painful very fast. It can often lead to mastitis. I assume it's the same way for other mammals. Almonds never get mastitis and they are very hard to milk. You gotta have really tiny hands or a veeeery small milking machine.
what I don't get is what's wrong with people who think you cant eat/drink milk eggs and other non meat animal products it really does make me go
As a Wildlife Management major in college, I already have 1 degree, I'm returning for a 2nd, I very much beg to differ. Animal ecosystems require an apex predator, be it wolves, mountain lions, bears, coyotes, or man or a combination of all of the mentioned. If left to their own devices, deer, elk, moose, and the like will breed themselves silly and the area will be overrun by them. Extra population + the same amount of food = DISASTER. Animals will suffer from starvation and they will die. Ever seen an animal that is starving? I have. It isn't pretty. I've done work with our local wildlife department trying to cull overpopulated deer herds. Let me tell you an animal that is starving is suffering, more so than being put down from an arrow or bullet. Hunters are taught 1 shot 1 kill, meaning you take 1 shot and you ensure that it kills. Starvation has no such rule and an animal that is suffering from it is going to have a long and painful end. Introduction of a top of the food chain predator can help but it can also cause problems. Say you're having an issue with deer and you introduce wolves to the area. Wolves eat the deer, the deer population goes down, the wolves, having plenty of food start to breed, suddenly you don't have enough deer, you have more than enough wolves and they start going after other things like your dog, your livestock or your cute pet kitty. Areas that are overstocked with animals also can lead to more contact with humans. More and more people are getting out and being active in nature. Suddenly they see deer, they feed the deer, deer loses it's natural fear of man, deer begins eating stuff from all humans, new disease comes from this interaction, deer population suffers great losses. Or deer loses fear, deer begins to get aggressive (especially during the rut, AKA breeding season) and people get hurt. That's not even mentioning their interaction with traffic and the disasters that can come from that. Say you're a farmer, you have corn and every fall you sell your corn to XYZ Grocery Store. Well the rising deer population decides your fields are a pretty neat place to hang out and eat. They damage, eat and destroy 35% of your annual crop. So to offset the cost of that, you raise prices that the store has to pay you, they recoup their losses by raising prices for the consumer. It's just an example, but I think I'm making my point. This is the way it happens. Another thing people say is that the animals will venture out to find new food. Nice thinking but again, that isn't always the case. Ungulates, such as deer, elk, moose are creatures of habit. They like a certain area, they typically stay in that certain area. Sure they might wander a little to mark territory or search for a worthy breeding partner but they will usually return from where they came. But let's say for sake of an argument they do "move off" to find a new area to live, breed and eat. They settle in and begin to eat what is around them. Now who is to say that area already doesn't have enough deer and the newcomers aren't just crushing another ecosystem with overpopulation? It's certainly nice to think that nature will handle overpopulation all by itself, but that isn't always the case. Hunting, harvesting and culling is necessary and is important. As I have said, I don't impose my views on anyone and I expect the same in return. Vegetarians aren't evil or bad and meat eaters aren't either. I'm simply trying to educate and open the conversation a little more. I don't eat fast food, I don't eat store bought meat. If I don't raise it myself, I buy my beef, pork and chicken straight from farmers, I hunt or fish my other meats. I don't trophy hunt (meaning looking for giant antlers) and I don't take more than I can use. Basically I take what the Good Lord above blesses me to have. These are my opinions alone and I don't expect anything you do to change but maybe I've given you a different perspective.
My response to this whole thread is: Really? He doesn't want to eat meat, let him not eat meat. But don't start going off about how we're 'inhumane' because we aren't like you. We're OMNIVORES, for god's sake. Eating meat is only natural. And if you want to argue that breeding animals is inhumane, then farms are inhumane, no? I mean, we're growing lettuce just to chop the poor things up and put in our salads.
All life is sacred to some degree. There is definitely a heirarchy to living things, and a resulting level of respect we have for different life forms. Some life forms we kill off in the millions with a signle genocidal antimicrobial spray or wipe. Some life forms we govern more carefully and yet do not fear to make use of, such as plants, trees, herbs. And so on. We as a society generally draw a line. It is a reasonable line, or perhaps a line on the edge of reaason. We do not eat animals which can display the ability to reason. Thus far only one animal has shown itself to have this faculty, the human being. This gives human beings the faculty to excersize power over lesser creatures. Including the power to eat them. Reason also gives us the ability to learn not to eat those creatures which show themselves to lend to bad health. Eating certain mushrooms can hurt or kill you, so you don't eat them. Reason also will inform the human being which foods lend to good health, to pleasure and to satisfaction. This is why I eat bacon.
