[EULA] Mojang Supporter Changes Discussion

I agree with big.d, what i dont understand is how will they go after/find the millions of servers out there (big or small) and see if there still doing perks...i understand the big ones will be screwed like mineplex or shotbow or even hypixal...but smaller ones, how will they be found?

It appears Grumm changed his twitter name to "The own opinions of Grumm". So hopefully none of it is official.

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It actually said it is provided as is and updates are a bonus.

Yes. I was paying for the game as is and if no more updates were ever released I could not hold it against Notch.

They are getting complaints from parents of kids who steal parents credit cards to play on these '$100 to get OP' servers. I am quite sure that they can easily find the server that has been requesting the skin of the kids account. These servers are Mojang's target. They are tarnishing their brand and they need to respond. By enforcing their EULA they can stop them but they need to enforce it fairly. Decent servers will adapt to conform, the scammy ones will continue to break the EULA and then can be shut down.

it wouldnt fall under copywrite but would fail to meet eula guidelines if enforced

Dumb question but if you took the time to deobfuscate the code for the server startup, couldn't you take out the part where it checks the bool for eula= and recompile?

At the end of the day... there'll always be EULA bypasses: http://www.reddit.com/r/admincraft/comments/27iqg0/glowstone_foss_server_with_bukkit_plugin_support/

That said, I hope that any decent servers won't have to. Really hoping for a statement from Mojang (meaning not Grumm) on Monday.

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macguy8 on reddit said...

**MATURE LANGUAGE**

Recently (earlier today), I had a chance to sit down with Erik Broes (aka Grumm). Previously, there have been quite a few... uhh... arguments relating to Grumm's actions. After talking with him, it became a bit more clear what Mojang plans to accomplish with the EULA changes. Here's a quick summary.

The first block below this is the most important one, followed by a less important one with some smaller details.

Although it's not currently allowed, Grumm thinks that selling ranks with JUST PREFIXES should be allowed and is willing to fight to make it allowed.

• [9:27:47 AM] Erik Broes: lets look at shotow
• [9:28:02 AM] Erik Broes: I believe strongly that money should never be 'seen' in the game
• [9:28:11 AM] Erik Broes: But i understand that people want some sort of 'showing off'
• [9:28:31 AM] Erik Broes: At minimum this would be a server notification on donation: "xxx has done a donation, Thanks!"
• [9:28:40 AM] Erik Broes: one step further is a colored name for example
• [9:28:54 AM] Erik Broes: But no kid will run to their parents 'demanding a colored name'
• [9:28:59 AM] Erik Broes: which is awesome
• [9:29:20 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: How is a colored name much different than what we have now?
• [9:29:42 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: ShotBow, as of now, sells ranks with a little , [G], etc prefix and a point multiplier
• [9:29:43 AM] Erik Broes: some servers are doing it 'more right' than others
• [9:29:49 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: You're saying if they removed the multiplier they'd be good?
• [9:29:52 AM] Erik Broes: yes and the point multiplier is wrong
• [9:30:02 AM] Erik Broes: A pays; B does not; A plays with B and they do exactly the same
• [9:30:12 AM] Erik Broes: B earns 10, A earns 30 …. what?
• [9:30:36 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: So selling ranks with prefixes (and just prefixes) is allowed?
• [9:30:47 AM] Erik Broes: No, but I am willing to fight to make it allowed
• [9:30:54 AM] Erik Broes: and will do so on monday
• [9:31:23 AM] Erik Broes: In my personal opinion i'd be ok with it
• [9:31:29 AM] Erik Broes: the EULA right now says no thoug

Mojang doesn't want to kill servers - Just convert them back to being community oriented

• [9:21:20 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: You guys want to make Minecraft back into a community game where people know each other?
• [9:21:23 AM] Erik Broes: Yes!
• [9:21:31 AM] Erik Broes: Where money is not 'making you better' than your neighbour
• [9:21:48 AM] Erik Broes: and where 7yr old kids get tempted by 'villagergolems' following you around in the lobby that you can only gain with money

and the second quote...

• [9:24:26 AM] Erik Broes: We want the game to be seen and experienced in the way that we envision it
• [9:24:32 AM] Erik Broes: that is not a pay-to* game
• [9:24:46 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: All that I've been seeing from searching the internet is people screaming bloody murder and claiming you're killing servers
• [9:24:48 AM] Erik Broes: Because it is obvious? :/
• [9:25:07 AM] Erik Broes: the rules in the EULA represent our view of the game clearly

Mojang/Grumm doesn't feel that younger players should be the main reason servers are alive,

• [9:13:00 AM] Erik Broes: Who says that the underaged group should carry the server?

but that if servers need donations they will get them.

• [9:09:57 AM] Erik Broes: If people are invested with servers they will donate for them to exist

Mojang recognizes that big networks do awesome things and have potential

• [9:26:27 AM] Erik Broes: I love the big networks and i see they have awesome potential

Some other "outside" deals with hosting companies are disallowed. (Removed the names of all related servers and companies to prevent flaming.)

• [9:31:52 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: as of now, REDACTED has a deal w/ REDACTED
• [9:32:01 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: If you buy a server from REDACTED, you get 1k coins on REDACTED
• [9:32:14 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: It's not technically a microtransaction as it's a service....
• [9:32:15 AM] Erik Broes: not allowed
• [9:32:21 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: 'lright
• [9:32:33 AM] Erik Broes: why? because then the coins have a monetary value
• [9:32:59 AM] Erik Broes: We do not know how much -- but we know you had to pay for it

Some of my thoughts about Mojang being vague about this.

• [9:33:25 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: see, this is what I was pointing out before
• [9:33:37 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: now that you've said this, I understand what you're trying to do
• [9:33:53 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: but previously, I really hadn't seen anyone of you say as such
• [9:34:01 AM] Erik Broes: It's all logical
• [9:34:04 AM] Erik Broes: our EULA already explains it
• [9:34:12 AM] Erik Broes: Stop making money of offering shit in Minecraft

Erik appears to abide a bit closer to the EULA, however. The EULA does fail to mention much about Mojang wanting Minecraft to be a community game, though

• [8:37:42 AM] Erik Broes: Who the fuck cares what kind of view they have -- they are misinforming the people
• [8:37:51 AM] Erik Broes: and meanwhile lots of 'properly informed people' have spoken as well
• [8:38:13 AM] Erik Broes: or rather, people who have actually used their head and read our EULA and figured out why this might be happening
• [8:38:19 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: That's because unless you have direct connections to people at Mojang there really is no sign saying "this is the officinal information and listen to nothing but this"
• [8:38:25 AM] Erik Broes: EULA
• [8:38:29 AM] Erik Broes: E U L A

Erik also agrees that people are misquoting what he's been saying.

• [9:41:22 AM] Erik Broes: Yes and I refuse to do that
• [9:41:30 AM] Erik Broes: and people will still rape-quote it
• [9:41:37 AM] Erik Broes: they will just remove the THIS IS MY OWN OPINION: to suite their agendas

Aaaaand here's Erik saying it's okay to quote this for Reddit.

• [9:34:26 AM] macguy8 || MCAffinity: you pretty much have to write it out for people to get it
• [9:34:49 AM] Erik Broes: Feel free to do a write up of your experience
• [9:35:05 AM] Erik Broes: Everyone at mojang wants the best for the game

just a warning there is a bit of strong language in that

That is what I was trying to say although I am not sure why I used the word copyright

I see why mojang is doing this, but they are going about it the wrong way. What they should do is force servers with ranks in game to flag their server as such. Parents should have a way to set a password and prevent their child from playing on those server. Those servers should also get a little symbol next to their name in the list. This would fix the problem. People who like paying can continue to so so and those who dont like the model can find a new one.

You should go tell Mojang your idea, i think that would make everyone happy

All regular players pretty much stay away from utopia unless they are doing a job, have a res, or need to talk to someone there.

S0 much discussion.... Reddit, The Official Minecraft Forums, and now Empire Forums XD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnSx_Zk8A7o#t=66
Theres a youtube video that pretty well describes the situation, for those confused.

Bebop is my go-to for Minecraft news; he knows who to talk to to get to the source, so I tend to believe that he knows what he's talking about. The video on this situation clearly breaks down the issues for both sides.

Yeah, he pretty much sums it up perfectly.

Food for thought: What if as a loop hole, they made donations enter you into a pool of players (which included every player of a server) and using a 3rd party app, have donating enter your name MANY times. And just give out perks on a lottery system, where those who donate are favored almost infinitesimally over non-donating players.

Apple did a similar thing with it's micro-purchases for games like Clash of Clans and Farmville. But to do so they sent emails to ALL apple uses stating what was happening and what they would do to prevent it. I know that apple rules over all applications and can make final decisions and that some server owners are definitely corrupt. I think though that many people claim to donate due to their enjoyment of the server and appreciation, but large servers that host tens of thousands of players would crumble VERY quickly.

As for what Aikar said we don't know if this is just grumm stating on what he wants changed all we can really do as players is wait and see what these changes will be