Who would win?

Discussion in 'Community Discussion' started by McAwesome_09, Nov 10, 2020.

  1. So you have a semi truck that weighs 78 tons and a wall that hasn't ever shown any sign of weakness.
    Who would win? Unstoppable force or Imovable object?
    Bet down below.
    I put 5k on Imovable object.
    I have a simulation that I made to test it and I haven't used it yet
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  2. I put 0k on the truck. Cars already sometimes go through walls, let alone a ludicrously overweight truck.
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  3. It doesn't have to be moved from its foundations if it breaks. I'm going for the truck. I don't bet, though, out of principle (hm, excluding when I went to the casino, I suppose :p).
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  4. A wall that doesnt show any kind of weakness makes it seem like you're hinting that the wall is indestructible, in some fashion. With that being said, there are two situations. The first could be that the wall destroys the front of the semi, making the semi stop moving, or there is also a possibility that the truck has enough kinetic energy, due to its mass, to destroy the wall, but in the process of destroying the wall, the truck is destroyed as well, making it stop. So either the wall wins or its a tie
  5. I'm inclined to say the truck, but I'd like to have some more information before I put any money on this. How fast is the truck moving before it hits the wall? What is the wall made of? How thick is the wall? What type of truck is being crashed into the wall?
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  6. I'll answer my thoughts on the main question here before going into the truck and the wall. This philosophical question about an "Immovable Object" meeting an "Unstoppable Force" has been asked many times, but it inherently holds a logical fallacy. An immovable object can never meet an unstoppable force because the existence of one contradicts the other. So, if an immovable object exists, that means there is absolutely nothing that can move it. If an unstoppable force exists, that means there is nothing that can stop it. Logically, you cannot have both an immovable object and an unstoppable force as it would create fallacy and contradict the existence of either the force or the object

    By attaching a weight measurement to the semi-truck and grounding it in reality, it can no longer be an unstoppable force. Simply find the bare minimum object in the universe that can withstand 78 tons while being unmoved. Since the wall doesn't have any attached parameter with it, and has never shown any weakness, let's assume it's either an immovable object or we just don't know enough about it. If the former is true and it is an immovable object, then the truck will not break the wall and an unstoppable force does not exist. If the latter is true, then the truck could either win or lose and we'll have no idea whether or not it is or isn't the immovable object (unless the truck wins, in which it isn't)
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  7. I need more information on the wall and the truck. What's the wall made of, how thick it is, and the truck as well. The type of truck, how fast it's going, if it's loaded or unloaded (etc.)
  8. loaded truck made of pure steel
    *edit its loaded with titanium rods i guess... its the simulations not mine
  9. Nice one, but besides making a typing mistake ('stop' instead of 'move' about the immovable object), you left an essential part implicit, and it makes me unsure if your inference is even right. You said nothing about the relationship between moving and stopping. As such, there is no contradiction when supposing an immoveable object and an unstoppable force. You might then add the information that if two things collide, either one of them will stop or the other one be moved. However, that still doesn't do it. You must also add that the immoveable object and the unstoppable force do in fact collide. And in the question about the truck and the wall, indeed they do. But in your case about the existence of such objects, they have not to.
    There can be an immoveable object and an unstoppable force, as long the latter never collides head on with the former.
  10. Good catch! Thank you! It has been corrected

    I would disagree. The unstoppable force doesn't have to meet the immovable object in order for it to be unstoppable, and the immovable object doesn't need to come into contact with the unstoppable force for it to be immovable. Therefore, even if they never collide, both cannot exist. By one simply existing, logically the other cannot
  11. The emboldened part does not follow. :p But it's no big deal if you don't see it. If you have had a course on first order logic, you can prove that without the restriction that the immovable object and the unstoppable force must collide, there is an immovable object and there is an unstoppable force (of course, in our world, these might not exist, but logically, they do exist, as you can prove). The simplest countermodel is the one were all predicates have as its interpretation the empty set (i.e. nothing in the world is moved, and nothing in the world is stopped, and nothing in the world collides—this counter model will satisfy the claim that there is an object that does not move, whatever collides with it (just pick whatever object), that there is an object that does not stop, whatever it collides with (just pick whatever object), and that if an object collides with another (which never happens), either the former stops or the latter is moved).

    If anyone spots a mistake in my post, please do tell, as this is quite a lengthy sentence and when I tried to work it out just to make sure I was too hasty and made some mistakes. :p
  12. Wait... you said you made the simulation. :p
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  13. No matter which wins I feel really bad about the driver that no one thought about.
  14. How about the wall? You weren't too clear on the specifics of the wall. That also will influence the collision and the outcome.
  15. Its a brick wall and tells me its sturdy thats all i know
  16. This is a homework question, I see.

    Assuming that this wall is a single layer of bricks thick, I guess the truck would win in this case, bricks are quite weak. Especially if the truck's going pretty fast with the load of titanium rods. It'd have to be quite a tough brick wall if it withstands even cracking against this type of force.

    I'm not 100% sure if the truck will be completely intact if it makes it through the wall and to the other side entirely, but I think it'll at least poke the hood through the wall. (Provided the wall breaks in the first place.)
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  17. I think the most important question is: How thick is this wall we are referring to?

    It can be a thin sheet of titanium (as the wall), that truck is going through it no problem. But if it is a wall 200 feet thick, made of say... old plywood... that truck will not be able to go through it. Although... since he describes the truck as being:
    it makes you think that the truck could go through literally any wall, no matter how thick... :confused::cool:
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