[DEBATE] Presidential Election - 2016 (closing Nov 22)

Look how well that turned out...

If those cities decide what the majority is, it's even more unfair to remove their representation.

Please go read a book about Islam, US politics, the US screening and vetting process - Hell, even Wikipedia would work out fine - and come back when you have some actual facts and can construct a proper argument.

• What do their fake passports have to do with Islam not having one specific ideology?
• Your immigration screening process is the toughest and most needlessly rigorous in the world. It's downright unjust that you have such measures in place.
• Your example was... putting it lightly, absolute crap.
• Banning all Muslims is unjust, it is discrimination, and I bet when he means 'ban Muslims' he means Arabs, Persians, Kurds, and all those other 'brown people' that follow the religion... which is xenophobic and discriminate.
• Again, I shall repeat Esselem's point - that's not representative of all Muslims. A percentage are Islamist, and other percentages are various other things.

Trump can attempt whatever he wants he can Try to ban muslims he can Try to ban Mexicans but i can promise that not every republican in the senate or house will agree and let it pass Tho knowing the state of this nation A blackhole or the sun look a lot more appealing to live on XD I certainly don't want to ban all muslims, or any1 for that matter if you are hear legally and u are following the rules then more power to you but if you want to come and skip the border than i could care less if you are deported or not I have seen many stupid things but this nation is 1 of the worst
In my past posts i have offended some people and have made my self look like more of a idiot than normal. so i would like to say sorry to you guys i think i need to do a lot more research this is only stuff I learned from my high school teacher ( most think she is crazy) She has said
"hitler is great" "Everyone Loves Putin" "kim is a great and fair leader of Korea" ya.... I think i should do a lot more research then trust the stuff from her ( she was our gov and history teacher)

I don't know who your classmate is, but she has no idea what she's talking about. Listen, how old are you 10? When you're as young as you are of course you'll believe everything you read on the internet, that's understandable. But you ought to realize that many sites like the one you linked are propaganda created by people who have most likely never even talked to a real Muslim.
From the site:
"Kafirs must submit to Islam in all politics and public life. Every aspect of kafir civilization must submit to political Islam."

From a letter written by Muhammad to the Christian monks of the Sinai:
"This letter contains the oath given unto them, and he who disobeys that which is therein will be considered a disobeyer and a transgressor to that whereunto he is commanded. He will be regarded as one who has corrupted the oath of God, disbelieved His Testament, rejected His Authority, despised His Religion, and made himself deserving of His Curse, whether he is a Sultan or any other believer of Islam. Whenever Christian monks, devotees and pilgrims gather together, whether in a mountain or valley, or den, or frequented place, or plain, or church, or in houses of worship, verily we are [at the] back of them and shall protect them, and their properties and their morals, by Myself, by My Friends and by My Assistants, for they are of My Subjects and under My Protection."

???

As to your statement: "I promise you their's a Ideology behind Islam (or atlas a Fundamental 1) their's 1 for every Religion Islam Included."
Goes to show how clueless you are on how Islam and English work. What did you mean by atlas a fundamental 1 again?

There are many different interpretations of Islam. A few examples: Sunnis believe there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his final messenger; Some divisions of Shia believe that it was Ali not Muhammad who was supposed to be a prophet; Qadianis believe Muhammad was not the last prophet, instead they say that was Mirza Ghulam Ahmad.

So basically the only thing that everyone who calls themselves Muslim have in common is that they call their god Allah. If simply calling your god Allah is somehow a dangerous ideology, then I concede, you're right I'm wrong.

I didn't ask my classmate about this (lol) I asked our local Imam.

Anyway, Trump didn't say he wants to stop refugees from entering, he explicitly stated he wants to stop all Muslims from entering. Not all Muslims are refugees, neither are all of us terrorists. It's really that simple. So a Muslim can't come to America from say England, just because he's a Muslim. bye first amendment, was nice knowing you!

Sorry; your example is wrong. According to Trump, the English police have been subjugated by British Muslims and are scared to speak out against Sharia Law being enforced upon British citizens. Surely they wouldn't leave a country they have complete control over (even though they suffer even worse treatment from the English than Catholics and Jews), now, would they?

/sarcasm (if this is even needed lmao)

Don't do this. If you think you are uninformed, inform yourself. Calling yourself that is unnecessary and untrue.

I don't know what to think of this. What are her opinions on US politics?

"We've defeated the elite, we're sticking up for the working class, and we are going to destroy the rich!" Trump and Farage agree, as they stand in a gold-plated elevator.


Glad these two fascist, racist, xenophobic, sexist, homophobic, nationalistic pig-faced imbeciles are getting along well. A bromance in the making, I'm sure.

Side note what is gimp Farage doing with his hand? Trying to make it into a handshake cringe compilation? Trump has his thumb up like a chav, so surely Nigel isn't trying to shake that?

lol

Why did Trump say he would ban Muslims? Obviously there are two choices. First, he is a total and complete idiot and doesn't understand the first thing about our constitution and the protections guaranteed within it. Or, two, he was pandering to a constituency that he felt were complete and total idiots because they didn't understand the first thing about our constitution and the protections guaranteed within it. Which do you think it was crazy_X_gamer? I tend to lean towards the former. If he was not that he would say he would ban individuals from countries where there is a preponderance of terrorists. Not entirely sure what he was thinking.

Where do you live? This is astounding. Are your parents aware of this because it is appalling. If my son had heard anything close to this from a teacher I would come down on the school board like a load of bricks. And I assure you she would be looking for a new line of work.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ald-trump-not-beating-hillary-clinton-popula/

Disclaimer: I don't really care if HRC won the popular vote, I hate her, and I'm glad she lost.

Why is it that people want to believe any claims they can find on the internet that support what they want to hear? Here is a link from a reputable news source that explains how many gullible people believe that Trump won the popular vote based on disreputable websites saying it. Search the truth not just what someone tells you is the truth because it is what you want to hear.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/googles...nal-election-numbers-leads-to-fake-news-site/

I really don't know where I stand on the Muslim ban proposal at this point. I'm a Muslim too, and I know that there are other Muslims that aren't insane and just want to go throughout their day with a cup of tea. In fact, if you think that that is not the case and all Muslims are terrorists, you seriously need to go to a mental hospital. But there are those who wish to seek harm on others because they misinterpret the Quran and if they have a chance of getting into the country, there could be another 9/11 or Orlando shooting. But I also know that I have family in other countries such as Canada, Pakistan, Norway, etc. that hope to come visit. I really don't want a Muslim ban, but when there's a chance of terrorists invading America, I really don't know.

It's Fox News, that's what they do.

Well, yes, but you're more likely to get killed by lightning than by a muslim terror attack. His reason for the ban on ALL 1.6 billion muslims is that ISIS exists. I guess all other countries should ban white males from the US because mass shooters exist and are generally white males.

That's not why he said it. He said it because of two things. First, is 9/11 and second, is just prejudice towards someone who is different. It can be directed towards Mexicans, Jews, African Americans or others. Including objectifying women. The only reason there is any talk about ISIS is because of the desire to blame ISIS on Obama and thus on democrats. Do you really think Trump and those of similar mind care about a bunch of Muslims killing a bunch of other Muslims? I know this is harsh and I apologize but it is the truth. Trump is not going to do squat about ISIS beyond possibly stepping up bombing. Bombing that will kill many more innocent children.

I have half my grade thinking i am mentally challenged or crazy XD hence my name.
Everything i said XD +more she thought Hillary was a great lady and that the patriarchy was behind the election she claimed that it was sexist and rigged towards women and don't get me started on black lives matter and gun control.

I agree with you on you're reasoning and the protection of religious freedom will disallow him to even get as far as congress
she was fired at the end of last year from high school and was asked to not comeback to her toutering job (she had some mental problem similar to dementia it made her crazy) i think i will go to a different high school after this I live in Pennsylvania i will be going into my freshmen year next year auto correct changed touter (i misspelled it horrible) to teacher X-X she is a touter because i was in a class for high school prep at the local catholic high school ( subsequently no better than the public high school 600 feet away). The school district is a Joke in my area Drugs run Ramped and people attack each other all the time if u support trump rip you.
My parents try to keep me in private school (tho it doesn't help them my mom had to take another job to pay for tout ion) and at the rate my family is going my dad will work till he dies.

Hilary was a great lady... patriarchy behind election... sexist... rigged towards women...

Interesting. What did your teacher have to say about Trump?

Thank you, the explanation helps a lot I will do a lot more research before I post again thank you.
my mac books auto correct changes many of the things I type so it changed at least to atlas so i will try my best to do the research now and pls correct me if i am wrong at any point ( - grammar and spelling i have very bad vision and the articles i find are all in small type X-X) (rn I can't even read my keyboard)

• islam was founded in 160 ad by Mohammad
• at the time polytheism (worshiping of multiple gods (similar to the greeks)) was common practice
• at around that time he had a vision of him as an angle and after he gained the understanding that their was only 1 God named Allah
• The book they use is called The Quara they were also told to read the Torah, the Zabur , and the injell.
• they worship at mosques at Friday night where they pray towards mecca. the place where Mohammad has his vision.
• they believe in life after death, angles (bad and good), a last day, their belief is reveled in the books of god, divine measurement in human affairs, and that god had many profits.
• They are supposed to pray 5 times each day, Give alms (about 2.5% of their health) , Fast during Ramadan, and make at-least 1 pilgrim age to mecca in their lifetime.
• the 3 major groups of islam are Sunnis, Shi'as, and Kharijites They were separated over Who should lead after muhammad's death and all 3 have multiple subsets.
• sunnis (which comes from sunnah or teachings) they believe that Mohammad did not appoint a new leader after his death. so they elected his father in law and close friend as their new leader caliphas are leaders elected democratically with a majority needed to win. after these first 4 and since the fall of the ottoman empire their has not been a widely accepted caliphas in the muslim world.
• Shi'as believed that Mohammad's family had spiritual and political power over them so they took over after his death they were known as imams

Muslims shouldn't be banned they are a mostly peaceful religion we almost never hear about the good muslims it is always the bad because the media profits on fear their are good muslims and bad muslims and that goes for every race religion ect. Thx soul and chocolate as well as ESSELEM for showing me that tho i understood it before just had the wrong reasoning behind the argument. we can't ban someone based on religion in fear of future actions because the past is the past and now is now and the future is a present. going by that logic we can ban whites from Canada etc Because we may be raciest or rude etc.

she claimed that he was a horrible man who works for the patriarchy and at 1 point claimed him to be a rapist X-X.
I lost all faith in Humanity a while ago at this point I laugh off the stupid stuff and just keep going.

Look at their name.
Terrorists.
Terrorists.

You've let them win by saying that.

Their goal isn't to kill anyone. Their goal is to incite fear and panic and to let the country they attack cave in on itself. They won 9/11 - the fear people had of flying afterwards, the collapse of multiple airline companies, the government passed the Patriot Act (blatant human rights abuse, so named because if you speak out against it, you're unpatriotic). They won the French terror attacks a little over a year ago - the state of emergency, the "oh shit, this is more real than we thought" felt across Europe, and the European Union (temporarily, of course) abandoning some of its core values in response.

The Provisional Irish Republican Army committed terror attacks in the UK and in British embassies across Europe because it would make people think "I don't want to die in a bomb attack, I'm scared, Northern Ireland isn't worth all of this." If we let it hit us that hard, who knows what would have happened to the British/Loyalist population in Northern Ireland (probably similar things the British were already doing to the Irish, I.E shooting them in the streets...but... never mind).

You can mourn the dead if you want, you can get angry at them if you want - you just don't give a major response in the way that the Western world does. The fact that you're afraid of terror attacks and could support refusing entry to millions of Muslims from the Middle East is exactly what they want you to do.

Well, she's not wrong about one of those things.