[POLL] chickeneer fixes the economy thread

You wouldn't be having that convo if focus were on server pop. The issues you're bringing up are a result of server pop and MC mechanics making everything practically farmable.

Or just don’t interfere with vanilla mechanics. EMC already nerfs farms to an insane degree. The issue with our economy is that we don’t have enough active players to sustain a real economy.

Yeah, but as I've been told, that's not something Chickeneer can control, so I say just leave the economy completely alone then until the true issue is dealt with .

You know. This whole circular reasoning has really got me frustrated now. Maybe I've wasted my time on this as a hobby if the owners won't even make the effort or enable others to take over and get things functioning again and on track like they used to be. I'm out for a bit.

What exactly did you have in mind? It might be helpful to understand what kind of changes you were already considering before we make suggestions.

So much reading but many an idea worth the read.

I myself enjoy the occasional auction but rarely do I go to player shops. I know a certain few people that make their money buying and selling. However when I’m in game the last thing I want to do with my time is bounce around from shop to shop buying and selling items. I prefer to explore and build mini bases or build a big base. Mining is fun when it’s for a purpose.
I know the whole shtick of EMC is Economy and Survival. I’m more of the survival crowd. (Thought on this disrupted, will edit when it come back.)

Maybe going forward someone mentioned (please don’t make me go back and find the specific line) a mineral mincer (feel like I butchered the name.. I’ve been gone from Neverland to long, my mind gone.) in shopworld. That’s a need idea but we need to get rid of the ones everyone is hoarding first.. From now on perhaps useful promos that should get used have a countdown time they can be used before they just poof and vanish. Say you claim that promo sword and you have 90 days to use it before it’s gone like a warranty 90 days or whatever durability whichever comes first. This will put a definite stop on hoarding of items. These new promos with a countdown could be sold in shopworld all the time. People need rupees to buy these set priced items. They’re useful and non permanent. People will be forced to participate in the economy in order to get their hands on them. (I feel like I’m forgetting some crucial stuff that should be said..) (I’ll edit that later too)

[I have not read every single post and don't really feel like it so if something was already said here I'm sorry ]

As someone who has been in almost every "stage" of EMC, I have seen the good, the bad, and the mediocre of the EMC "economy." Now I put economy in quotes since as of recent, more like years, has been in my opinion beyond dead. With many people bringing this up time and time again, people coming to the same arguments and points, however nothing every gets done and the issue seems to be pushed onto the back burner. Now, the pot has been burnt on the bottom. I am glad you are taking a hard look at it from an administrator stance. With this set up out of the way, I will now elaborate my take on what I think we as a server should do to hopefully benefit the majority.

Over the decade on EMC, I have flipped between the hoarder, survivalist, economist, etc. And I will say this, I believe hoarders should be the least on the priorities when it comes to who we need to appease. I'm all for history and collections, but I firmly believe that items, not just promos/rares, should have a purpose; all items should also serve a purpose. Now they may be a hyper niche role or usage, but a use nonetheless. The occasional fun item can be added, but even if it was a mundane use I believe it should have one. I have been rather disappointed by the most recent collections of promos/prizes (minus the Cookie Oven, which was a suggestion I made YEARS ago btw) and would love to see some niche tools/armor enter the market.

With this in mind, I believe the following is a good alternative that I believe we should look into. A place where we could buy Vanilla+ items with the "Final" tag on them to prevent replication/fixing. Now, what do I mean by Vanilla+? I mean things like Efficiency VI+ pickaxes, Looting IV+ swords, Haste potions, etc. Items that are not completely broken to all hell, but are consumed and have a very specific use. With no mending on a pickaxe, you may mine quickly, however that trip is limited by the durability. This would remove rupees from the market-system and effectively delete the rupees, driving down inflation (little by little but it's a start right?). The prices of said item would be set so even if a player wanted to resell them, they would have to break even or sell for a loss, thus there is no benefit for them to resell these items. These consumable Vanilla+ items would be the "useful" counterpart to the cosmetic promotional items that can then be for fun and collections.

However, the place I believe we need to innovate in has been utilized in many servers that include our style of economy. A server-hosted marketplace. (This suggestion I have seen on several servers, and not any particular one.) Said servers, have the "/ah" command or the Auction House command. There players put items up for sale with a specified price. This would allow "ghost shops" of sorts so players could sell items cross-server via the Auction House. This is also passive since I could put, lets say a pickaxe up for sale, then get notified when it sells. No management needed for the seller or the buyer end. This would also have the added benefit of new players having a sense of familiarity since many servers share that command. This would need to be regulated since players did tend to put "ads" in the Auction House, but I feel that is a task that can easily be thwarted with our staff team.

All in all, I feel we need to stop focusing on the collectors and what is currently valued as rare and give alternatives to said items so perhaps they are only worth a lot due to age rather than use. With a few commands and item innovation, I feel this would steer EMC on the right track to where it once was. I can elaborate more in hyper-detailed points Chicken if you ever want that 8,000 page essay, however that may extend to EMC management as a whole that I briefly discussed with Krysyy for a bit. Regardless, I will link back to my previous suggestion of the Vanilla+ shop that I made over a year ago and bit thee farewell on this short essay. [https://empireminecraft.com/threads/suggestion-vanilla-shop.84305/]

- Cyberazaz101
Master of snad

(was this said? I missed it explicitly stated = Assuming that the server buys the items as a rupee sink and the item then disappears: then... )
Empire Shop can buy quartz ore - making quartz mining a thing again.
Actually, just make that all the ores. I buy them from players not out of a need for them, but just to reward the effort of getting them. Won't hurt my feelings any and only suck I can buy.

Dirt, cobble, stone, sand, gravel are basics that should not be in the Empire Shop, leave those in circulation.
Neither should iron, gold, diamond, emerald blocks - very definition of farmable ones there.

And maybe the things that have zero game use: poisonous potatoe

In the poll I marked no for allowing the server to buy non farmable objects. I know in the poll it says certain non farmable items. My thought at the time of marking no on that at the time was that it would take away blocks that people would otherwise use in builds or upgrading armor/weapons. Now I’m not sure what certain non farmable items that would be.
My thoughts may have changed slightly on the matter. I wasn’t thinking of the rupees gained but rather the loss of material. However the point of this thread is how to elevate half of the reason the server exists. Taking another thought at this the server does reset and with that a renewal of the non farmable items. Perhaps the right strategic layout for a server sell shop could work with a rotational menu and specials each month. Of course this might need senior staff to manually adjust signs and what not from month to month.

However my concern about a server buying material from players could create a dependency that could eliminate the player to player experience of personalized player shops if all a player needs to do to is sell certain non farmables to the server and vote to gain rupees. For me half the fun is the interaction/atmosphere everyone brings in game and on the forums. IDK cause sometimes all the fun I have is the interaction and the survival. Rupees to me means I can participate in auctions not really shops. I do use shops when I’m in a bind and need something quicker than mining it would take. Perhaps my fear is invalid and it’s just fine. Maybe upping the daily log in rupees is an option. Maybe keep it at a cap and just up the it to 500 rupees instead instead of the 100 amount.
Even yet the shop can buy the claimed /promo when it’s available to be bought in /shopworld that way you have rupees coming in without the hoarding of promos by players trying to buy them all up when it’s first released.

When I say server sell shop I’m meaning the server is buying not selling. That’s just the way I think. To me server buy shop sounds more like a place to buy than sell at.. if that makes sense.

wtb automated bartering lol

I just did a bit of bartering to try understand and I don't see the issue with it.

The most expensive item you can get there is obsidian, and one stack of gold blocks gave me less than a stack of obsidian, and I had to stay there almost an hour.
In the same amount of time I could have mined a few stacks with an end pillar.

Am I missing something? Is the problem the other blocks you get?