Add forum for miscellaneous auctions

Excuse me if this comes off rudely but every thread I see you post in you quote and argue with the staff and you try to say that things should be run how you want and that your way is better. You argued repeatedly about the new consequences for guilty people being banned, you have done so elsewhere, you are now arguing against them about some junk forum that spams the forum as it is wanting to be able to sell random stuff?

If everyone started a thread selling a single stack of ore that would take up space. Why would we need 400 threads about selling an ore? Why would we need 300 threads about selling dirt which should be free in the first place? If they didn't put limits and did things like you wanted by "letting the market take it's course" then things would be a ton worse than they are.

Everyone likes how things are ran now, we all follow the rules. If EMC didn't put limits on things and enforce rules then we would be just like every other server out there and we would fail miserably.

He made a thread posting this:

So he is just trying to make us feel guilty or something. And saw the like thanks

Yeah he linked to that thread in his last post that I quoted.

Please keep this thread on topic - It's about a suggestion.
Thank you for your comments, I'll answer here on topic, and the other questions there -> (well ISMOOCH has just locked it I'm asking him to unlock it so I can respond -> http://empireminecraft.com/threads/you-asked-why.16500/).

I'm not arguing against anyone. I've made a suggestion and I'm advocating it, I obviously think that my suggestion is good for the majority and for the EMC marketplace. I'm questioning the current quantity limitation for auctions and I think it is perfectly ok to question and discuss any limitation or rule.

Thank you for asking questions - I guess asking, especially asking "why" is never rude.

This wouldn't really happen, not more nor less than it currently happens. There would just be an option to bulk-sell on auction (but less than or more than one full double chest) instead selling for fixed price.

This looks like constructive discussion!
Please explain why it would be worse, what would (have) happened in a separate thread.

Not everyone likes everything like it is now, but the most like the most of it like it is now,
including myself - otherwise I would not chose to be part of it.

But there is room for improvement and development.
So I've made a suggestion.

Because, then people would be selling loads and loads of "1 stack of diamond" or "3 Stacks of emeralds". You ever watch the advertisements on the chat line blow up when not properly moderated? It would be like that, but always there, flooding the forums.

Dont think.. know. In the early days of the auction system, if you can call it that. There were few rules. In fact, the rules of each auction were laid out by the poster, and it was a trust game. Because of this, we know people will "waste their time" with unnecessary auctions, because it has been witnessed.

This is actually kind of conflicting to the quote above. Because here you say why should staff decide what is necessary. Yet in the post above you think no one would waste their time with unnececessary. So it is obvious you have some grasp of what things would be considered as such. So who are you to judge that and tell us not to?

The better reasoning, we have seen the economy alter itself many times in game as staff members. We also know what can and can not sell well in shops. If a person has a nice set of enchanted tools, its hard to sell those in shops, because you have to set up an area for, and you may only be selling one item. An item that the value changes for according to buyer anyways. A silk touch may be worth more to me than to you. And Vice versa for a Fortune 3. We are not trying to deny anyone a right to use the auction system. We are just saying they need to meet a set guideline to do so.

Its not even the guessed answer of spam or "stat padding" for this one. While we as staff members would love to believe every player is trustworthy, we have come to learn that is not always the case. If a person has multiple auctions all ending the same day, then is not really auctioning anything at all. He collects payment, then bolts. Yeah, he gets banned, but the buyers still lose money.

Also, before there also was never a limitation on auctions. Players tend to have a hard time organizing their auctions. Forgetting to check all their running threads, so they missed alerts. This did not happen to every player, no, but for the ease of the community (with community advisement I might add) the push for single auctions was made.

Retroactive moderating in a forum environment is difficult. Not to say impossible. However, we have had just about every suggestion you have thrown out here in place before, and it caused issues. You view this one thing as a disadvantage for the community. Take a step back though. You have had to argue past a slew of reasons why it would be a bad one. Now, why remove one "unnecessary disadvantage" and replace it with 10's to 100's of potential problems that are almost certain to arise?

Its like speed limits. I would love to do 100 mph every where I went. It would save me loads of time. I even believe I am quite a good drive at those speeds. But, you add in other drivers, you create unsafe environments for the "safe" drivers. Then people who are already bad drivers add to this (your people who already "spam" the forums). Add blatent law breakers and such as drunk drivers, and you have chaos.

Just like the speed limit, our rules on auctions, including the Auction Limit, have come from trial and error, and we believe it the better choice. Any disadvantage that keeps the community easier to deal with, I would not call unnecessary.

It is a very open and free market. You just want a different venue to sell different things. You can sell anything you want at your lot, you can even auction anything you want in any quantity! We encourage it! However, its just like I can not produce a CD, walk into my nearest FYE and say, sell this. It does not work that way. Now, I could set up an internet shop and sell it that way, or even sit on the street corner and hope some one shows interest. But nothing is stopping me from selling it. Just as nothing is stopping you from auctioning/selling anything you want. Just stopping you from doing it in the forums. You are applying a global concept to one venue. Yet, you do not account for the full global system.

For a guy that has such strong feelings for the "people", you seem to have the quick words when they disagree with you.

The forums will never speak for the majority. Because believe it or not, the majority of EMC do not crawl the forums.

The market is free, just not on the forums. Youre right here, I completely agree with you, there are rules already in place.

This sounds like a great idea and I for one don't especially like how we are restricted as to how many items we must auction. I can understand only hosting one item at a time but as long as the quantity of an item is clearly staed you should be able to auction whatever quantity if an item you wish. Perhaps this idea needs some tweaking but I don't see a need for a separate auctions forum besides the one we already have. Something I would like to see however is a system where you can host auctions and bid in them but instead of being threads perhaps they could be just like clicking buttons to bid minimum or custom amounts based on what the auction is up too. There could even be a pay button that automatically transfers the rupees. Anyways I define toy think the auction system does need some work and I like your idea!
~Stads

Hey ISMOOCH,
thank you for taking time to answer and discuss openly. I appreciate that very much!

All right, so there is a need for auctions without a strict limitation of the quantity. People would auction things. But not loads of auctions - just one at a time, like it currently is in the community auction forum.

Ok, so perhaps it can be dealt with in another way. Perhaps a trade-off is possible?
- One auction at a time, as it currently is.
- Reasonable bulk quantity - either a full single chest or more - or a count of full stacks with starting price not less than 3,000r.
- People who repeatedly post meaningless auctions will be warned and possibly excluded from the auction forum.

I understand that (I've been admin for a community before for several years.)
I'll take a look and browse through older threads.

Ok, perhaps the speed limit can be checked and adjusted a bit? Because you also don't want to impair the traffic...
Would it be good to see some diamonds and emerald ore on auction? I think it would.

I'm not sure what you're referring to. That a poll isn't representative after half day and with 18 votes is kind of obvious, isn't it?

I do believe you, but this suggestion is for the part that uses forums - especially "Community Auctions."

Yes - so perhaps it would be ok to make it a bit more free on the forum too, without losing the intended effect of the rules in place.

As general suggestion, when you make such a set of rules, it would be good to add the explanation - why the rules were made and with what history and intention. This would be a great help for new members. Without it, I could only wonder "why the heck..." (Yes I've asked "why," but got no answer for 2-3 weeks - until now.)

Can a mod lock this? Its just getting annoying that she cant face the fact its not going to be added

Exactly. The suggestion has been denied, no need to keep this thread alive.

There are quite a number of players who only use the forum once and that is to sign up to play. After that they get on servers and never touch the forums again.

You really had to add that. This community is larger than most servers, and a lot harder to moniter than a server than one if a few thounsand. And your saying that you know how hard it is to admin one. The moderators jobs are probably harder than any of us know.

The only thing annoying is when people continue to post off topic, being rude and hostile, barely contributing anything constructive.

Did you deny it? Well...

Dealing with a lot of different people from different countries and continents, understanding them, trying to meet their expectations, that's what is hard. Not the technical part.
I'm probably twice as old as you, maybe even 3 times older. I was part of several Internet communities since 1993 - in the time when some international Internet links had bandwidth of 9600 baud. Yes, i know something about that, I've seen several communities rise and fall, yes I have an opinion about (on-line) communities.

But this thread is about a simple suggestion. Please try to respect that every member is welcome to make a suggestion and discuss it. Hostility isn't doing anything good for neither of us nor the community.

I think a lot of the reasons we posted here are the reasons we have things like they are, so I hope you understand why it is how it is. We have no plans at this time to change it. However, look forward in the future to a a better auction system after Aikar's shop system comes out.

Lets see how many likes we can get on that post .

I'm guessing over 9000...

right now its only got 6...

Okay... maybe just under 9000, but I'm sure it'll be close

lol.

And, once again, we have the hamsters discussing matters

the guinea pigs u mean