I know ... Nomen est omen - the name is a sign. I've joined EMC because a relative was playing here. When he mentioned "Empire Minecraft," I was like "evil empire what?" and he said something like "no, no, it's good, you'll see..." The name is just a sign... So, what it will be, we will all see
We are already given many freedoms, and they didnt need to give us any of them. Be happy that we are given these freedoms, you dont need to always argue for more... 1. Open communtiy? As in more open then we are now? No. That would be terrible. If that were allowed, things like this would occur: JackBiggin: 1998golfer, your hamster is stupid! It looks dumb! 1998golfer: You are just jealous because my hamster isnt fat! (Picked those two only because of profile pictures) An open community would allow insulting. While there are times when an insult is the only way get things across, we dont want it to flourish here. 2. The staff respond to everything. They tolerate everyone (you dont see them ban people for abusive reasons). If they werent authoritarian when it came to important matters, why the heck would we have rules and staff?! If they were completely transparent in their decisions, they would have to tell us why they accepted/denied anyones ban appeal. That would be a breach of privacy. 3. I have yet to see any racism, so until you provide any proof, that point is pointless. 4. You arent the judge of unnecessary. 5. The staff can make any rules they want. If they dont like the word "dirt", they can ban the use of it. Thankfully, these staff have common sense and make rules that are needed and justified. 6. You are right. Lets just let those rob and PT forums come back to life! /sarcasm. I have seen people try to sell "humping" at in game "parties." I have seen people try to pay others to go kill or grief someone else in game. I have seen people rig mega-casinos so that their friends win. And you think that the staff shouldnt restrict what can and cant be done? Ok then! If they decide to not restrict anything anymore, i will hire people to constantly attack/bother you on the basis of you ruining the Empire. And natural laws are ridiculous. An example of natural law is "Being able to protect yourself and your property", which would allow PvP traps and PvP overall. Since when has many lines of code, and keyboard/mouse strokes be considered human? In game, we are GIVEN rights, not guaranteed them. The staff here have given us rights. When someone creates a server, there are no laws out there telling them that they MUST guarantee anyone rights. So: 1. Private entity, private rules/laws. 2. We already have that. 3. ^^^ 4. Private entity, private rules/laws. 5. The owners/staff decide what they are committed to, no one else can decide that. If 99.99% of the players want them to commit to giving out free melons, but the staff dont want to, they dont have to. We are already given many rights, so we are already on the plus side of things. Starting arguments, encouraging the breaking of rules, and upsetting people causes rifts in communities to be formed. And that is exactly what you are doing. Unfortunately, i dont have a quote for this, but you said (in an auction forum) that "Following rules strictly is not right. Strict enforcement of rules leads to Nazism." You were encouraging rule breaking, and earlier in that discussion, you were encouraging the allowance of taking back bids. If you want to have a healthy community, dont encourage players to break the rules. Thats just common sense!
IMHO, that would be counter productive. It would make whoever forum banned him for expressing his opinion just as bad as him, in the way that he's done so. M4nic, I'll just say this. When you join EMC, you're welcomed with open arms and no preconseptions, but you can start again in just the same way. I honestly advise you to just take a step back and look at the greater picture, and that not everyone thinks in the same way as you. I think we all know that I'm an advocate for the community, and I can see that you want the best of it too. Learn to understand others way of thinking, honestly, it's good in the long run. Just because someone disagrees with you in every way doesn't mean that they are against you, they just don't want an idea. I'm going to take the shop update, but not use it in the same way that others have. EMC originally thought of something that many people disliked, but they LISTENED and RESPECTED everyone's opinions, creating a much better system. Now, you think of many ideas, some of them, IMO, aren't half bad. If you were willing to tweak your thinking, and the ideas themselves by LISTENING and RESPECTING everyone's opinions then honestly, I think any hostility that exists would perish.
Sorry, you've got this completely wrong, and I won't go to great length explaining - perhaps someone other can step in. Open community / society means something completely different, please read here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_society Not have to, but want to! Like it is in the RL - court decisions are open for everyone to see - but this is just an example of minor importance. More important - back rules and decisions with explanation, so that everyone can see the background and reason for a rule, so that all can apply the rules according to the original intention. Not by staff, but among members, unfortunately yes. You've reminded me now that I've seen Nazi symbols out there in the wild. Is there a policy about that? The community is, or should be. Not "can". Anyone "can" go out and start trolling people. So it is not about "can," but "want." If you want a community, then you want to support its development, not choke it with banning "dirt" or "purple," or any other unreasonable rule. Again, the community judges what is reasonable, even if it actually has no power at all. See, natural laws (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law) were / are not made by people. You may think what you want about natural laws, but they stay in power no matter what. If you go against the nature, you lose. So better respect them. Not at all. In an open and just community, you just call a moderator, who uses distinct powers to protect you. If that works, then it deals with PvP and griefing in an optimal way. The same as it is now, this works quite well. So, respecting natural laws does not mean PvP and similar. Not must, but want. You want good rules for the game, to have a great game. Very true. This is what this thread is about? What is the general direction? What kind of development? What do the owners of the game want? What does the community want? Let's hear some more opinions. First, I have never encouraged to break rules, but to apply rules with understanding and according to the original intention. (Obviously, you need to know the original intention.) Second, this is a property by which you can easily distinguish dictatorship from open community: Critical thinking, expressing opinion, questioning, debating, suggesting, voting: Dictatorship: unwanted, restricted, censored, sanctioned Open community: welcome, encouraged, responded, rewarded Am I questioning and criticizing some rules, decisions and intentions (of the owners / staff, obviously)? Well yes, I am. So, the question is - is that welcome on EMC? PS: It's because it was censored / deleted as not an acceptable part of discussion within an auction. But you've quoted me wrong - I've said, and I'm saying, that following the rules blindly, without understanding them, without understanding the intention, by ignoring or even intentionally misinterpreting the original intention of the rule or set of rules leads to a hell like Nazism or Communism etc. (But not only this leads to failure. There are many broad ways to failure, but usually just a narrow path to success.)
That's exactly what /report is for, although they can't track the Nazi symbols. If someone is openly racist in chat, /report them. Logging certain block patterns would be nice though... *hint hint Aikar* ;-) A certain hacked griefing client allows players to quickly place a huge amount of swastikas, so 99% of the time, they'll have been placed by unwelcome griefers in an automated ways, not legitimate community members. Racism is not allowed, I've reported people for building swastikas on their res and they were punished. All I can advise is that you help in the efforts to remove the symbols, by removing any you see. I'll repeat myself, all rules are neccesary, and you can PM ICC if you don't understand why one exists. They censor swearing/direct insults simply because it breaks the rules, many other servers censor things that the server owners don't agree with - so just be glad that doesn't happen here. We can't judge what we don't know, and we shouldn't know the complete inner workings of EMC...
