[Help needed] Blood's Monster PC

Discussion in 'Miscellaneous' started by bloodra1n, Jun 20, 2014.

  1. Hello everyone,

    Currently I have an 8 year old computer, which is about to die very soon.
    It crashes once in a while, so I really need to buy myself a new PC.

    And I am buying a new PC, but not just a regular one.
    I am going to buy myself a beast PC, for gaming on ultra-graphics, recording and a future YouTube channel! That means more and better stalking for you guys! ;)

    However, I need your help.
    I have a lot of money to spend, and my future pc currently looks like this:
    The pc parts will be assembled by the company (costs €65, already included.)
    It all adds up to €1.650,19 + €9,95 for delivery = €1.660,14

    It is a lot of money, so I want to be sure to buy the right things..
    Is this a good setup? Any improvements I should/could take around this price-range?
    Does anyone have feedback on certain parts that I have in my future setup, if so, please share!

    Thanks in advance, I am truly looking forward to purchasing this beast!

    ~blood
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  2. I'm not too techy, but I'd highly recommend getting windows 7. Let this monster blood rain upon you! :D
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  3. I have Windows 8.1 on my laptop and Windows 7 on my new PC, for I like Windows 8.1 but it is not so good with older games such as GTA: SA which I sometimes play. Hence the computer, Windows 7 plays older games and is usually compatible with all the new ones too :) The main troubles I had on Windows 8.1 were Left4Dead2 and navigation, but I quickly adjusted to the quirky ways of the 8 :p

    I have a 500GB memory disk for I will not need more than that. I went with a fairly cheap mother board because for myself at least I saw no reason to get a high-tech one, it just brings everything together, it doesn't do a lot performance wise. I was either going i5 or i7 for the processor, but as you realize, they have techy numbers! I went for a high-tech i5 because it is actually faster than the lower tech i7 ones, so if you are unsure, there are probably "Processor leader boards" of some sort that show you the ranking and you can check numbers from there.

    Graphics cards! I have a Radeon graphics card that I found laying around. No idea what it costs, but it is decent and plays some great games. It is not top of the range but nowhere near one of those cheap ones that go around ;) I have heard that NVIDEA graphics is great and I am contemplating getting one as the next piece for my computer, though Radeon can usually play some games better. I heard that somewhere, so I would think about that one. I would recommend Radeon or NVIDEA though.

    I bought 5 fans as well. I have dual intake on the front, dual intake on the roof of the case and a fan to blow it all out at the back :p The intake fans are red LEDS because well, why not? Black case, red lights, super sleek. Anyways, I built it myself, because I found it quite fun and it is a lot cheaper. Though if you have no idea about computers, either get stuck in or do what you are doing and hire the pros ;)

    I probably spewed a ton or rubbish into this box, but if you have any other question.. quote me :)
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  4. I would advise windows 7 too but thats just me. Its much better for gaming windows 8 is more for touch tablets in my opinion
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  5. bad opinion, there are a lot of sources, tests etc that result in windows 8 beeing smoother for gaming
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  6. Agreed on that. I'd recommend getting the GeForce GTX 780 ti. It's a bit more expensive than the one you posted, but it's definitely worth it.
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  7. SLI GTX 760 have better performance than a 780Ti :D
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  8. That's almost the exact one i was looking at in Best Buy today :O I was planning to get one of those for myself xD
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  9. Windows 7 has more options that seem to be more functional in playing older games, but Windows 8+ seems to sap away resources needed for gaming and while looking at the RAM and Processor it may not be as much of a problem unless you want to play older games. Currently on my gaming computer running Win 7, I cannot play the games of my childhood (ie. MS-DOS, Win 3.1) without going into XP mode and playing in functionality. SMAC used to give me functionality issues in Win 7, but works perfectly fine now. I have not attempted many other Win 95/98/ME era games but when I was setting up a friends computer with Win 8, I had no functionality to even play XP+ era games unless they were specifically made for the Win 8 system. I ended up stripping Win 8 out of the system and spent a few hours setting up Win 7 in that computer..
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  10. I didn't realise that older games wouldn't be compatible with Windows8.1, if that leaves me with some unplayable old games, that's the sacrifice I'm willing to make.

    Due to a hint given by pascal, I choose for 3TB of memory. When recording games the amount of memory you'll need to store all the videos will add up pretty quickly. A 3TB will last for quite some time (I hope).
    About the processor, I checked 3dmark.com to see if the processor was any good.
    After checking again, the i7-4820k, i7-3820 or i7-4790 might be a better choice. So many options!!

    As far as I know, Nvidea and Radeon are like Canon/Nikon, Coca Cola/Pepsi, Nike/Adidas.
    One isn't necessarily better, but people tend to have preferences.
    I have no preferences yet. What matters to me is facts. Which one is actually better?
    Feel free to come up with test results, comparisons etc.

    Sounds like you have a nice PC looking like a baws! c:

    I somewhere read that Windows7 doesn't support Ram higher than xx amount.
    At the site of this PC-builder, it said that I needed Windows8.1 to support the amount of Ram that I currently have in this setup.

    The graphic card that you mention is indeed of better quality of the card I have in the setup mentioned in the OP.
    However, it is almost twice expensive according to this site: http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu
    That same site also mentions the R9 290X ('only' 91$ more expensive than R9 290), which delivers the same performance as the card that you mention.
    Is the increase in performance really worth the extra money? Would it work with all the other components that I currently have selected?

    Thanks to everyone for the feedback!
    Please keep sharing your knowledge as nothing is 100% decided yet!
  11. .....Double the price, 10% more performance, the 780 ti is only ever worth buying if you either have too much money
    or you want to brag. (What I'm saying is, Don't get a 780ti.....) Get either a GTX780 or as you current have blood, the R9-290, I run one myself, powerful little thing. If you want Nvidia however the GTX780 is a good option.
    Do bare in mind that the GTX800 series is coming soon, so it might be worth waiting, although from what we have seen it will not be.

    As for Windows 8.1, I have been using it for nearly 6 months, after one of my college programs was incompatible with Windows 7..?? (Yeah, Idk either) so I upgraded and I honestly whole-hart-idly recommend it. With Start8 of course. There are some compatibility issues, mainly with every GTA title ever (GTA4 for example requires a command line edit, or compatibility mode) but for 99.9% of the cases it works fine, as it uses the same Kernel, just a different skin with less bloat.

    I would not personally recommend going with Cooler-master power supplies. I recommend Corsair or Seasonic, but the cooler-master one is not a terrible choice, just there are better choices.

    Sources: Nerd for 6 years, 4+ PCs built, IT course @ College

    EDIT:

    After checking again, the i7-4820k, i7-3820 or i7-4790 might be a better choice.

    The 3 you listed above are designed for different usage scenarios than necessairly gaming, the 4770k is the best you can get (Unless you wish to pay $900+ for an i7-4960X)

    As far as I know, Nvidea and Radeon are like Canon/Nikon, Coca Cola/Pepsi, Nike/Adidas.
    One isn't necessarily better, but people tend to have preferences.
    I have no preferences yet. What matters to me is facts. Which one is actually better?
    Feel free to come up with test results, comparisons etc.

    It's all down to personal opinion and your usage cases and what features you want, for example AMD has higher performance. But - Nvidia have more refined drivers with more options (Such as Shadowplay and G-sync) In this case the R9-290 is slightly faster than it's Nvidia competitor the GTX 780. However it can vary game-game, If you really want an in-detail comparison of 2 graphics cards, You can normally just search on google "GPU1 VS GPU2, and higher is normally better.

    I somewhere read that Windows7 doesn't support Ram higher than xx amount.
    At the site of this PC-builder, it said that I needed Windows8.1 to support the amount of Ram that I currently have in this setup.

    Windows 7 Home Premium had a weird limit (to con people into upgrading to pro and ultimate) of 16GB of DRAM. You don't need 8.1 to support the RAM, you just need Windows 7 Professional or Higher.

    The graphic card that you mention is indeed of better quality of the card I have in the setup mentioned in the OP.
    However, it is almost twice expensive according to this site: http://www.futuremark.com/hardware/gpu
    That same site also mentions the R9 290X ('only' 91$ more expensive than R9 290), which delivers the same performance as the card that you mention.
    Is the increase in performance really worth the extra money? Would it work with all the other components that I currently have selected?

    The R9-290x is basically the R9-290 that has had it's speed dial turned up to 11. It's not recommended to purchase it, but it is a better option over the 780ti
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  12. I actually have an external memory disk too so that I can just plug it in to put files on and then take it where ever I want :p I usually use it between one of my two laptops and/or my computer. Recording takes up a lot depending on your recorder, but 1TB is usually enough, and an external memory is always an option if you want to take any videos for safe keeping but may not use them again. Just an idea :p

    The processors are in vast amounts, the numbers can be immensely confusing but the leader boards help xD My laptop uses an i7 but it does not process as fast as my i5 PC for sure, it is just because of their age difference of manufacture and their type. That one is really down to you, there are so many possibilities :)

    I never really thought of NVIDEA/Radeon as Coca Cola/Pepsi, that is a good way of putting it. My father prefers Radeon because he said he found a fact somewhere that it plays the games he plays better than NVIDEA because they were designed on Radeon graphics. But that could vary for different games? I am not sure you will find solid evidence either way, people will keep arguing one is better than the other... My mid-spec Radeon does me fine for now xD

    Oh, and since you mention it:
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  13. All Dem cables fdny21. Hope the inside is neater :p

    anyway. My two cents is to go to PC part picker. It has compatibility options best price comparison and some user reviews. You can see others builds and cool stuff. Suggest you use it. Especially the system builder. :)
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  14. Just a quick opinion: Windows 7 is a great operating system, but i prefer windows 8 because it cuts the start up speed in half, its also nice to be able to game in full screen, then just hit the windows key to check massages, email, whatever, although you do have to get used to some minor quirks first, but after that, win 8 is not nearly as bad as they make it sound.
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  15. An old picture from when I had it first set up, a couple of months on and I have tied them up and sorted them a bit better, it's all good :p
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  16. As a former Windows 7 Pro owner, That version was cool. Very gaming friendly. But I recently (Early November) bought myself a gaming pc with Windows 8. I was given the option to upgrade to 8.1 the moment I started it up for free. I declined because I heard it was in BETA or something, i don't remember. I stuck with 8. TBH in my opinion, most people that say "how bad Windows 8 is" have never actually owned, or even used Windows 8 before. They just heard it from somewhere else and assumed it was true. It has pretty much the same exact features of Windows 7, + more. Including the same exact Control Panel, and most/ all programs designed for Windows 7 will work fine on Windows 8 or 8.1.

    This is not entirely true. I have seen no performance issues/ fps drops due to Windows 8 (Then again I have a mid - high end pc). I'm sure if you get the cheapest Windows 8 Laptop you can find with 2 Gb Ram, and generally lower specs, you may possibly notice frame rate issues with start menu or other things when you run a game, like Call of Duty for example. Because that laptop doesn't have mid-high specs, it wasn't necessarily designed to be for gaming with high- extreme settings. That being said, Windows 8 would not be the reason you're getting lower fps. If you had the same exact specs, just Windows 7 instead, You'd still be getting the same exact fps.

    Windows 8 can still get Insanely OP fps, I took a picture of my fps with Windows 8 as an example: http://imgur.com/6mjKXsq

    Windows 8 is the future of PC's. All/ most pre made computers, the ones you go into a store and buy already have Windows 8 or 8.1 pre installed. I have (if at all) barely seen Windows 7 in Best Buy in the last 6 + months. If your getting a new computer now, IMO, you're better off getting Windows 8 or 8.1 now, than having to pay to upgrade to it later down the line.
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  17. I recently built my own PC and had a great experience. Your overall build looks pretty good. Everything's well balanced and you shouldn't have any part bottlenecking another. I personally prefer Nvidia over Raedon as far as graphics go, but the 290 will serve you well I'm sure. While the GTX 780 does have slightly better performance, it's $100 price difference probably makes it not worth it.

    One thing you should change is your OS. Windows 8.1 is fine, I prefer 7 but it's really personal preference. I would recommend not getting the pro version though, you won't need it and that'll save $30

    Your CPU is very good. However, according to Newegg Intel's new i7-4790k CPU becomes available on the 25th of this month. For nearly the same price, you'll get a CPU that runs at 4.0 GHz and has the new "Haswell Refresh" architecture. Not sure if you want to wait for that, but it's an option.

    One thing you could do would be to downgrade your CPU to a top of the line i5 and then upgrade your GPU to the 290x or 780 Ti. As far as gaming goes the performance difference between an i5 and i7 is minimal, the i7's strengths are more realized in multi-threaded tasks. At this price range though the i7 is a pretty standard choice nevertheless.

    Good luck with your build, let us know when you get it built :)
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  18. A game I got back into recently, was the Original Ago of Mythology. I believe it came out in 2002 (correct me if i'm wrong)? Had no problems. Not saying all games from 2002+ are compatable, just that one was :p . I don't play too many older games.

    Yeah, that is a huge factor to consider. One big thing to think about is, what resolution do you plan to record in? The higher the resolution, the bigger the file, and the faster it will count up. Recording at 1920x1080 isn't too demanding, and 3 Tb is perfect for storing loads of video.

    But (a rediculous idea) if you record at 4k or 8k resolution, anything higher than 1920x1080, will eat up gigabytes so fast xD

    A cool little trick i saw on Youtube (was in an Etho video i believe) is he told about what he does when he is done uploading. He said when he is done all the editing and uploading, he just deletes the video off his computer. To make room for new videos.
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  19. I have a 14 year old computer. Luckily, I stopped using it when it was 12 and got a new one.
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  20. True, Windows 8 is incompatible on certain stuff, old stuff. Wouldn't emulators do the job?

    http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/aa366778(v=vs.85).aspx#physical_memory_limits_windows_7

    As I told you I dont like alternate, cause of their services and brain level to be honest.
    a long story short, they didn't believe me and so I was without a motherboard.. for more then a month...

    Cool, I use classic shell as a tool /start8
    Yup, 800 series will arive, id never suggest buying a card that expensive anymore right now
    as I mentioned before a SLI 760 performs better than a 780Ti, price-wise thats 200 € difference.

    Beside this, I can't agree more with your post ;-)
    check link above about 780, also if he films, renders and more the i7 is worth it

    Not sure how big your screen is, but a 770 will do the job for 1080p gaming
    Never know how pricey the 800's are gonne be
    In my opinion I would never buy an AMD anymore, after amd's I bought 9600 GT's, loved em
    Right now im still running a gts 450. My friend had an amd 5000 series and mine was wrecking hes :D

    Also, a 3TB drive, id rather buy 1TB + 2TB, to have some organization. Yes you can split your drives but.... its a personal opinion so :p
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