Scammers

Discussion in 'Empire Help & Support' started by flyingarticles, Nov 7, 2011.

  1. To AusQB/Dark_Liz (and maybe JustinGuy),
    On 7/11/2011(Monday)I was going around seeing if anyone was selling diamonds when someone named SkullHair was selling diamonds at 10r for 1 diamond. It was too good of a deal so i went and bought 14 DIAMONDS! Then, my friend, TeCk_ came by and bought a few diamonds too. At that moment, he shouted," scammer." I checked my rupees. I originally had 3k rupees and a bit more ( rank 126 at that time) and my rupees suddenly dropped to 1.8k.Scam. Thats what I thought. Me and TeCk_ started saying scammer in the chat and asked AusQB and Dark_Liz to ban them, but they just wanted us to drop it cause we were spamming the chat. Then, some guy named InflatedLyrics said he also bought diamonds and didn't get scammed and started saying that WE were lying.
    Then,everyone in chat said it was just a game and we should just stop it. But we SPENT HOURS doing jobs for people and advertising and selling, mining,buying, selling. How could we just let it go? Hours spent to get that much rupees and gone in a few seconds.
    Dark_Liz said we should private chat and me and TeCk_ agreed ,since we didn't want to involve everyone. TeCk_ asked Dark_Liz to teleport over to his house,1725 and switch to local chat so that we wouldn't disturb the others. But Dark_Liz just ignored us. We went over to his house and started telling and explaining to him and he BANNED ME.I didn't know about TeCk_ since I was banned first.
    Now, let me tell you, Dark_Liz , how would YOU feel if someone changed ur obsidian tower, that u spent so long to make, into dirt and dug every single bit out.Would you just let it go? 1.2 k is very much for me. TeCk_ got 1.8k scammed off of him.He originally has 1.9k.Are you telling me that you don't care about how we feel?
    Minecraft is not just a game. Minecraft is imbued into our lives, it is essential. It is some people's lives, Luclin's full time job is Minecraft videos.It gives us happiness, sadness,anger, and joy. It is not just a game. When you first bought Minecraft,you would have known this game is like no others.It is Notch's love for gaming.This game is not any ordinary game, let me tell you.
    I'm not asking much now, just for your attention. Could you please spare me and Teck, just 3k? 1.8k for TeCk_ and 1.2k for me. Just please, we had spent so much time working together,mining, advertising,buying,selling.Please.And could you just look into this matter? It is better safe than sorry, prevention is better than cure. What if they were just the first wave of some massive scam that has taken place in all servers? What if they were Team AvO?What if they were griefers? Griefers can manifest themselves in many forms,there are many types of griefers.
    Please.

    Yours Sincerely,
    flyingarticles. ( On the behalf of TeCk_ )

    P.S Justin, could you implement some kind of command that allows moderators to track other player's rupees, and also a command which tells the mods how much rupees a player had BEFORE thier LATEST transaction. That would serve as proof. Thanks .
  2. "Griefers can manifest themselves in many forms,there are many types of griefers." - Then how can we trust that you are not fakeing?

    Sorry for you guys :S
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  3. if you don't believe me, ask TeCk_. I'm not FORCING you to believe me. Im just appealing to you to understand my situation.If you think we are griefers, its fine with me. And have you seen me going around causing trouble?You bought from my store once.I didn't scam you. Its okay to think that way. I understand where you are coming from, and this is VERY serious
  4. I do believe you, notice, i wrote Im sorry for you xD
  5. Ok thanks. But I'm still afraid that this "Scammer" might go after others.I really don't want others to be scammed.
    This is not something that could be let go so easily. I need some mods to comment
  6. I actually tried something alike it xD sold 200 dirt, or something like that, but didnt earn anything :s
    This is nothing like your case, but yet it happens..
  7. i'm sorry but exactly how did you get scammed? the price had to be on the sign before you bought them and if it said 10r each thats all you piad it's an automactic system that doesn't lie

    maybe you didn't read it clearly enough and were hoping to jump at the chance to buy some really cheap diamonds in which case sorry but it is your fault

    next time be a little more careful and be absolutly sure on what you read
  8. Properly, everyone makes mistakes xD
  9. It read 10r Im 100% sure
  10. There was no need to spam chat. Lets see what were thing you could of done?
    1. PM a mod in game.
    2. PM a mod in the forums
    3. Made a thread

    Also to follow up the admins/ Mods wont refund anyone due to the fact that Justin and Jeramey have told everyone that there admin powers will not be used to give out free stuff. Now on his property i see no diamond except the swords hes selling for 100R each.
  11. well everything else is showing other wise
    nest time don't fly off on the handle take you time and prove your case this is what you did wrong wand what you can do next time in case this happens again

    instead of bringing anything like this to public chat take it to the forums there is no reason to put it in chat and it won't help you (it may even hurt you)

    take a screen shot <-- this cannot be stressed enough if you wouldn't have yelled at him and fought about it you could have went right to the sign and got a screen shot of the sign as of no you have nothing but your word which sorry to say is nothing

    always assume the mistake is on your end first blaming others right away won't help anything

    don't get mad...... it's a game...
  12. I am a little confused, the sign said 10 rupees, but it charged you more?

    I will look into the logs.
  13. I'm not saying that Articles or Teck are liars.. But how is that even possible? This should be investigated purely based on the fact that a disruption in the game has occured, and in my opinion the moderators not even looking into it at all displays pretty poor role model skills and doesn't suit the role a moderator should be playing. Now I'm not saying Dark_Liz and AusQB are BAD moderators because I talk to them both and get along with them quite well, but it was a bad call on their part to ignore a cry for help from any player no matter the issue. It's their job to investigate, record and take action under these circumstances.

    On the other hand, Articles and Teck should have noticed if the price coming up in their history/ chat was incorrect and not just slammed their mouse buttons down and bought out the joint.
  14. in the end like my post above if they would have taken time they could have had proof to back their story as of right now it's he said she said and i don't think ausqb/dark_liz have access to logs to be able to check on this

    they most likely got ignored for how they were acting i wasn't there so i didn't see it but i'm guesssing they started yelling in chat and causing an even bigger problem rather then even checking to see if a mod was free they assumed they were gettin ignored ausqb and dark_liz do have lives and might not have been actively seeing what was goin on
  15. I'm sorry but you just messed up, you either didn't have that many to start with, or you misread the sign, either way it's your own fault.

    Be more careful next time.
  16. There is little Liz and I can do in such matters. We do not have access to the logs so we generally have to wait for Justin to come on and sort things out.

    As far as handling the matter in the chat, we were busy discussing in private with players and amongst ourselves. We never ignore players on purpose, but sometimes we are just too preoccupied to respond.

    Our initial assessment was that it was either human error on the part of the purchaser or a technical glitch (which could only be verified by Justin), but regardless, peoples' behaviour in the chat quickly grew out of control and due punishment was in order.

    You have to remember that no matter what, you must conduct yourself in a mature and reasonable manner and not spam the chat with incoherent hearsay. I'm sure Justin will be able to shed some light on the matter soon.
  17. I just looked at the logs and I see this:

    2011-11-07 00:34:24 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:29 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:29 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:29 [INFO] [ChestShop] happydano bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:30 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:30 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:30 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:30 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:30 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:30 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:30 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:30 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:31 [INFO] [ChestShop] happydano bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:32 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:32 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:32 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:32 [INFO] [ChestShop] happydano bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:32 [INFO] [ChestShop] happydano bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:32 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:32 [INFO] [ChestShop] flyingarticles bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair
    2011-11-07 00:34:32 [INFO] [ChestShop] TeCk_ bought 1 DIAMOND for 100.0 from SkullHair

    Now for each one of those transactions it would have told you in chat that you bought it for 100 rupees. You have to read these things to keep from making such a mistake.

    Now with that being said I did look deeper in the logs and SkullHair has done this more than once. What he is doing is broadcasting that he has diamonds for 5 or 10 rupees. Then when someone comes and buys it the chest has one diamond in it. After they tell him that he is out he does an entire routine of try now, hmmm ok, try now, i dont know what is wrong, try now. And by then they stop reading the sign, he changes it for 100 or 50 rupees and says try now one more time. Of course he puts a bunch of diamonds in the box and sells them at a premium price, because everyone is standing around waiting for the super cheap diamonds and wants to beat everyone else to them. This trickery is unacceptable in the Empire and I have given you a 3 day ban starting now. If you do this again I will ban you for life.

    And no I am not refunding rupees because it did say how much they were, and it did display in the chat when you were buying them.
  18. I wouldn't really call it trickery, it's more playing off of the stupidity of others, just like the kid claiming to be Jeremy's brother in law yesterday.
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  19. That's what a scam artist does, so yes it is trickery. While the people should be more careful with what they do, purposely trying to deceive people is just wrong as well.

    Also, I didn't know I had a brother in law. Neat.
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  20. I worded myself incorrectly, I'm tired so I'm going to drop it, and I know right, it's amazing how many long lost relatives admins have.